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  1. Shan May 12, 2019

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    Hi,
    Newbie here, I have done some research and am slowly feeling out the vintage market. The below Omega caught my eye but seems like repainted or re dial.
    Would appreciate your expert opinion.
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  2. JimInOz Melbourne Australia May 12, 2019

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    What do you think this means?

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  3. connieseamaster May 12, 2019

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    Movement looks put together from parts. Or the photo is ridiculously overexposed ::confused2::
     
  4. Ekonomer-Tuomas May 12, 2019

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    Titanium !

    also why are the markers of 10 and 11 black? something fishy in these photos.
     
  5. Shan May 12, 2019

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    It does look fishy .. specially since I was looking at the below vintage Seamaster also marked T.. A2A24E63-C832-4141-B2D6-3E8F68DDEA69.jpeg DD6130CA-ABB5-4600-AF45-A196FA0FFC21.jpeg 11D23FEE-67CD-49DD-9F78-962CC584EEEB.jpeg C189C304-2706-4901-A536-2468210CA0B8.jpeg
     
  6. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    You are learning fast @Shan , faster than I did. The little details like this that raise an eyebrow are exactly what we need to look at. Seems. There are a lot of Franken/redial/fakes out there.
     
  7. arturo7 May 12, 2019

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    I'm guessing the blackness at the 10 & 11 markers is just a reflection. Any other shots of the dial?
     
  8. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    Agreed. Depending on camera angle sometimes reflective things can black out
     
  9. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    And we have seen on occasion dials reading T and the markers and hands are onyx and no lume...but the experts can chime in on how common that was
     
  10. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    In the second one I think it do see little dark pips, and the hands have lost their lume.
     
  11. Shan May 12, 2019

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    It’s a minefield trying to find an original omega.
    The seamaster reference 167.067 looks promising though. But I can’t find examples to compare with. Need opinions.
    What exactly does the T mean?
     
  12. Shan May 12, 2019

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    Reference 166.067 apologies
     
  13. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    This T next to Swiss Made means there is Tritium on the dial which is lume. If it’s marked T, there should be lume. Post ‘63ish (correct me experts please if I’m wrong) they marked the dial with the T. Pre ‘63 it just said Swiss Made and if there is lume it’s radium.
     
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  14. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    That said, it doesn’t mean there will be big globs of lume- sometimes it’s little pips at the end of the indices and in the hands. Hands get changed sometimes with whatever the watchmaker was able to get and you sometimes see solid or onyx hands on a dial with lume pips-this doesn’t necessarily mean it’s fake, just that the hands were changed out at some point.
     
  15. Shan May 12, 2019

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    Yes another shot below..
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  16. Shan May 12, 2019

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    +1 .. I think the hands have lost their lume pits on the seamaster.
    But the rest of it checks out. Or I am missing something?
     
  17. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    This thread speaks the T with no lume

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/swiss-made-t-dial-but-no-lums.25713/

    I think the Geneve is original and is really great looking (I love a sunburst dial). The crystal doesn’t appear to be signed so is most likely a replacement but that’s not a big deal. I think if the price is right, go for it.
     
  18. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado May 12, 2019

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  19. JwRosenthal May 12, 2019

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    Doh! That would be a deal breaker for me
     
  20. Volvolus May 12, 2019

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    http://omega-constellation-collectors.blogspot.com/2007/08/dial-update.html - here you can find a good walkthrough of the subject. Seems to be about 1962 they changed it from radium to tritium, first one T appeared and then they added the second T in the late 60s.