Help with estimating the fair market value for this omega constellation pie pan

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Hi Everyone, New to this group and first post. Trying to find the market value for this omega constellation pie pan with potential redial. The movement is 561 cal and model 14393 61 SC. Any leads or information would be very helpful. Thanks in advance.

 
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SOLD listings on eBay.

And there is no question that this is a redial, a bad one.
 
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SOLD listings on eBay.

And there is no question that this is a redial, a bad one.
Appreciate the response. The sold listings don’t mention if it’s a redial or not so hard to find it. Thanks thiugh
 
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Use your powers of observation.
 
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If you get a taste for the range of values for a dogleg Cobstellation, it’s safe to assume a private sale with redial will be in the bottom 25% of that value range.
 
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Welcome @DanPanda
Are you looking to sell or buy?

The watch you posted has a polished case and redialled dial.

In good condition a late lyre lug pie pan Constellation could be 1500-ish.

The one you posted, less than half of that.
 
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Welcome @DanPanda
Are you looking to sell or buy?

The watch you posted has a polished case and redialled dial.

In good condition a late lyre lug pie pan Constellation could be 1500-ish.

The one you posted, less than half of that.
I suspect that your estimates are generous for this one. The lug polishing I could tolerate, they are reasonably symmetric looking and don't look half bad. That dial though is horrible, and I can't imagine wouldn't be super distracting to anyone. So unless I had a line on a good dial to swap onto this one, I couldn't imagine wanting it.
 
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If you get a taste for the range of values for a dogleg Cobstellation, it’s safe to assume a private sale with redial will be in the bottom 25% of that value range.
Welcome @DanPanda
Are you looking to sell or buy?

The watch you posted has a polished case and redialled dial.

In good condition a late lyre lug pie pan Constellation could be 1500-ish.

The one you posted, less than half of that.
@Peemacgee, I was looking to buy this one. Thanks for all the input as I’m still new to vintage omega constellation series of watches and gauging the condition and it’s originality. This helps a lot!
 
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I suspect that your estimates are generous for this one. The lug polishing I could tolerate, they are reasonably symmetric looking and don't look half bad. That dial though is horrible, and I can't imagine wouldn't be super distracting to anyone. So unless I had a line on a good dial to swap onto this one, I couldn't imagine wanting it.
@ErichKeane Appreciate the help and sharing your thoughts.
 
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I suspect that your estimates are generous for this one. The lug polishing I could tolerate, they are reasonably symmetric looking and don't look half bad. That dial though is horrible, and I can't imagine wouldn't be super distracting to anyone. So unless I had a line on a good dial to swap onto this one, I couldn't imagine wanting it.
I agree I wouldn’t want it either but it’s amazing what sells on eBay
 
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@Peemacgee, I was looking to buy this one. Thanks for all the input as I’m still new to vintage omega constellation series of watches and gauging the condition and it’s originality. This helps a lot!

You’re welcome

If I might offer some kindly advice.

Your initial post sounded like you wanted a valuation to sell - hence the less than fulsome responses.

If you’d said you were looking to buy, the members would have torn the watch apart and advised you to look elsewhere.

Good that you posted as it has saved you from a pretty poor watch.
 
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You’re welcome

If I might offer some kindly advice.

Your initial post sounded like you wanted a valuation to sell - hence the less than fulsome responses.

If you’d said you were looking to buy, the members would have torn the watch apart and advised you to look elsewhere.

Good that you posted as it has saved you from a pretty poor watch.
@Peemacgee I agree, my bad! I’m a noob here, will be much clearer next time. Appreciate all the help. Will look for a better one with original dial. Thanks
 
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Welcome @DanPanda
Are you looking to sell or buy?

The watch you posted has a polished case and redialled dial.

In good condition a late lyre lug pie pan Constellation could be 1500-ish.

The one you posted, less than half of that.
Hello, I'm new to Omega vintage and want to learn more. Could you tell what made you and others believed this one was redialed? with my little experience, I have no clues. Are these because of the placement of Omega logo, the missing of onyx insert at 11, the marker and hour index misalignment. Thank you
 
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Hello, I'm new to Omega vintage and want to learn more. Could you tell what made you and others believed this one was redialed? with my little experience, I have no clues. Are these because of the placement of Omega logo, the missing of onyx insert at 11, the marker and hour index misalignment. Thank you
Omega/etc use a pad-printing machine to get their dial writing, which means the lines are going to be crisp, sharp, and consistent. There isn't going to be writing at a funny angle, crowded text, or logos that are misaligned.

SO the easy way is to compare against other versions of the same watch.

For me, the dead giveaway is how crowded the 'automatic' is, and how inconsistent the minute markers are. Additionally, a lot of the 'top' logo looks hand-drawn, not printed.

It was really common 'in the olden days' for a watchmaker to get a watch with a damaged dial. Rather than pay for a new one from the manufacturer (called a 'service dial', which ALSO often reduces the value of a watch), they would often clean the old dial as best they can with chemicals, which often stripped some/all of the paint off.

So they'd have to fix it. So you often see ones that look (because they are!) like someone free-hand drew the words "constellation".
 
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And the incorrect font, the misalignment of the text, many details. Each redialed watch will have different errors, so it's not as simple as memorizing a few "tells." But if you spend a few months looking at dozens of dials each day, you will be surprised that it will become second nature to recognize amateurish redials like this one.
 
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The more you look at that dial, the less you want to pay.
That's how it is evaluated.
 
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Omega/etc use a pad-printing machine to get their dial writing, which means the lines are going to be crisp, sharp, and consistent. There isn't going to be writing at a funny angle, crowded text, or logos that are misaligned.

SO the easy way is to compare against other versions of the same watch.

For me, the dead giveaway is how crowded the 'automatic' is, and how inconsistent the minute markers are. Additionally, a lot of the 'top' logo looks hand-drawn, not printed.

It was really common 'in the olden days' for a watchmaker to get a watch with a damaged dial. Rather than pay for a new one from the manufacturer (called a 'service dial', which ALSO often reduces the value of a watch), they would often clean the old dial as best they can with chemicals, which often stripped some/all of the paint off.

So they'd have to fix it. So you often see ones that look (because they are!) like someone free-hand drew the words "constellation".
Thank you so much
 
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And the incorrect font, the misalignment of the text, many details. Each redialed watch will have different errors, so it's not as simple as memorizing a few "tells." But if you spend a few months looking at dozens of dials each day, you will be surprised that it will become second nature to recognize amateurish redials like this one.
I'll practice more. Thank you