Help with a Vintage Ed White 105.003

agsstructures · Oct 24, 2024

Hi

Have the opportunity to buy an Ed White at an attractive price. It’s not perfect but just a watch I would like to wear and enjoy.

Curious to get forum thoughts on it!!

Thanks as always

pdxleaf · Oct 24, 2024

What's the movement look like? Not so much for authenticity but to check for rust. It appears to have attracted alot of moisture. Puffy lume, white possible mildew on the dial, mold between the lugs and bezel.

Case seems honestly worn. Much preferred over a polished, shiny one.

I'm back and forth on the lume being redone or original.

Davidt · Oct 25, 2024

Hard to evaluate without knowing the price.

Laneside · Oct 25, 2024

It looks to me like a well worn watch. 105.003 -64's are very hard to find. The watch has only one set of service marks on the caseback so it has probably not been maintained. 7912 bracelet with No 6 end links is rare and valuable. I'm surprised with the watch opened that there are no pictures of the movement. Dial has close T Swiss made. Crown looks wrong but that's not an issue. I'd buy it especially if price (as stated) is attractive.
Ask Hansaboy

Laneside · Oct 25, 2024

IMO the lume is what would be expected. Reluming would reduce value but would increase attractiveness for a watch to be worn.

agsstructures · Oct 25, 2024

Asking price is 10k

padders · Oct 25, 2024

10K what? Beans?

If USD then the price ain’t bad once you factor in the bracelet. It’s not a lovely example but at circa $7-8k for the head I could learn to live with it.

Laneside · Oct 25, 2024

agsstructures
Asking price is 10k

what GBP, $ euro? Is the watch running, does the chronometer work? Condition of movement?

hansaboy · Oct 25, 2024

Since I got call out by @Laneside ,
I will do my best!
😬

But as stated before - a movement picture/pictures are needed.
64´s are harder to find, 65´s are the ones that often comes up.

This one might have a nice dial,
but I have a hard time assessing the quality, there might be some scratches, and also some darker blotches.
You need close-ups to be certain about this.
And that goes for the lume also, some of the lume are missing.
The hands have been worked over, and the hour hand has another color…

Bezel - Fair

I actually like the case, even though it has been polished.

Pushers, crown and crystal are replacements.
The bracelet is a bonus!

I think that this watch has seen some moisture, and might have been ”dealer worked”?

I understand that this is not an ”auction watch”?
So take your time, get more and better pictures, and please post them?

This could be a nice project watch, but for that amount of money - you need more info and pictures!

But if it is Swedish kronor - GO GET IT!

Laneside · Oct 25, 2024

hansaboy
Since I got call out by @Laneside ,
I will do my best!
😬

But as stated before - a movement picture/pictures are needed.
64´s are harder to find, 65´s are the ones that often comes up.

This one might have a nice dial,
but I have a hard time assessing the quality, there might be some scratches, and also some darker blotches.
You need close-ups to be certain about this.
And that goes for the lume also, some of the lume are missing.
The hands have been worked over, and the hour hand has another color…

Bezel - Fair

I actually like the case, even though it has been polished.

Pushers, crown and crystal are replacements.
The bracelet is a bonus!

I think that this watch has seen some moisture, and might have been ”dealer worked”?

I understand that this is not an ”auction watch”?
So take your time, get more and better pictures, and please post them?

This could be a nice project watch, but for that amount of money - you need more info and pictures!

But if it is Swedish kronor - GO GET IT!

Well done as always.........
The 10k could be Zlotys?

Davidt · Oct 25, 2024

I don’t think even $10k is a good price. Certainly not if it’s £10k GBP.

The watch is fair for me. The bezel is clearly worn, the dial has at least one major scratch and the case is polished. Perhaps fair + but certainly not in the good category. Then although the bracelet is a 7912 it’s clearly stretched which impacts value.

Playing the reverse auction game - what price would it need to be to interest me;
$9k - nope
$8k - don’t think so.
$7k - yes probably.

agsstructures · Oct 25, 2024

Thanks all, it’s $10k USD. I’ll get pictures of the movement today and post them shortly!

Laneside · Oct 25, 2024

I agree with Davidt

IMO it depends on what you want the watch for. Either collection or wearing? You have indicated wearing I think? If so, you wouldn't want the bracelet which in its unrestored condition could be worth $1k. Then you've got servicing, pusher and crown replacement (maybe) = $1+k At $9k I would say 👎 BTW the 4 on the 64 of the caseback looks off to me? If for collecting, then I would wait and pay more for better quality.

padders · Oct 25, 2024

That's not the worst 7912 out there, they are always tired and stretched. Don't forget the value of the No 6 end links, those aren't cheap (if original that is). This is why I put the head at $7-8K. You do see the bracelets from $1-2K but they are always sans endlinks. Maybe the asking price is a bit rich, but not by too much IMO, perhaps $9K would be nearer the mark for the whole, assuming the movement is complete and not a hunk of rust or full of paperclips.

lucreative · Dec 11, 2024

I've been informally tracking vintage Speedmaster prices for the past few months and I think 9k for that watch is very reasonable now, especially with the bracelet. I think vintage Speedies hit a low in the summer til beginning of Oct, then it started to tick back up. The watches that I searched for previously when I compared my current purchases have all been snapped up. Starting buy it now listing prices on eBay and Chrono24 have definitely gone up too.

Redwes25 · Dec 11, 2024

I would say a 7219 with number 6 end links is around $2k. Watch head is just fair condition with the scratch on the dial. Even with a restoration (pushes and crown ) and a service given Chrono hand appears to not fully reset you have to spend a fair amount of money to get up to spec. Not sure you end up with a "good" watch even with that investment. So I am not sure that watch head in private deal is much more than $5k given issues. My guess the 10k is dealer pricing and you do see a premium for that but not sure this is a watch you want to pay that premium on.

boogedyboo · Dec 11, 2024

I think the close-up photos make the watch look worse than it actually is for a 60-year old watch. With all the grime, it looks like an honest watch.

$10K with the 7912 and 6 end links seems like a decent price if you are planning to wear it.

ndgal · Dec 11, 2024

Looks like an honest -64.
Keeping in mind that you'll need to put about 2.5K into it for service, bracelet tightening, and a period correct crown, I'd try to negotiate down some...

Help with a Vintage Ed White 105.003

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