Help with 167.005

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Sumpf100

·May 8, 2026

Hi everyone,

I am new to the forum and still learning, so please excuse my beginner questions

I have recently become very interested in vintage Omega watches, especially Pie Pan Constellations in steel. I found this 167.005 with BOR bracelet from a private seller in Japan and would really appreciate your opinions before I make a decision.

From my limited experience, the watch looks attractive and fairly honest, but I am unsure about:

• whether the dial looks original/unrestored
• how polished the case may be
• and whether the asking price (~1850 CHF) seems reasonable

Thank you very much in advance - I would really appreciate any thoughts or advice from more experienced collectors.

 

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ErichKeane

·May 8, 2026

Dial looks good other than the minute markers (which I can't tell, teh photos aren't good enough to see if they are compression artifacts or inconsistencies/re-paints), case has quite a bit of polish on it, it is missing the facets to the dog legs.

Price seems quite high to me, probably at least 300 CHF high(though original bracelet is a nice to have!), though I probably wouldn't go for a pie-pan without sharp dogleg lugs, thats sort of a deal breaker for me.

So yeah: Without better photos of the minute markers, I'm not positive about the dial, and the lugs are quite polished, so I wouldn't pay that premium of a price for it.

 

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DON

·May 8, 2026

Don’t know about the whole watch, but the dial doesn’t match the age of the hands, so think the dial is refinished.

 

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Dan S

·May 8, 2026

Gosh, the photos are just so terrible. It's really hard to judge the condition of the dial, but you can definitely see that the case isn't great. I think that sharp edges on the lugs are a really important feature for the dog-leg cases.

Your budget is good enough to get something nicer, IMO. It really depends on whether you are patient enough to wait for a better example.

Edited: May 8, 2026

 

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SOG53

·May 8, 2026

Need these views to see how sharp lugs are.

 

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Peemacgee

·May 9, 2026·Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers

Welcome @Sumpf100
As above, the photos simply aren’t good enough to assess the watch in any meaningful way.
If these are the sellers pics, then pass on this seller.
If they are screen grabs and you can post better images then do so, so that we can assess the watch properly for you.

 

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Sumpf100

·May 9, 2026

Thanks a lot for the detailed feedback, really appreciate it!

I like the 167.005 no-date with a BOR bracelet so much, but I will try to be patient.

You confirmed some of the concerns I already had about the lugs and polishing.

On Chrono24 I see a lot of 167.005 and 168.005 examples for around 2500–3000 CHF, and some of them don’t look very good either, so I thought 1850 CHF might not be that bad.

Thanks again for taking the time to help!

 

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Endshake

·May 9, 2026

I find it ok for that price to be honest. Dial looks fine to me. Movement good. Lugs not sharp anymore but ok in my eyes. And even the original crown.
Its not in perfect condition but i think its fine

 

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Dan S

·May 9, 2026

Sumpf100

On Chrono24 I see a lot of 167.005 and 168.005 examples for around 2500–3000 CHF, and some of them don’t look very good either, so I thought 1850 CHF might not be that bad.

I don't generally find Chrono24 to be a very helpful tool in determining actual market value. Most asking prices seem to be silly, just hoping for a foolish buyer. New enthusiasts sometimes assume that maybe C24 asking prices will be just slightly high, but I think they are often at least 2x high, so just not useful.

Many members on OF actively follow sales of the watches that interest them, so they have a reasonable idea of the prices were the watches are actually changing hands.

But if you are just starting out, to determine value, it's usually necessary to research auction sales prices. Forum sales prices are also helpful. You can do it yourself with some effort, or you can subscribe to a site that consolidates auction sales prices. You will of course notice a range based on condition.

 

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Sumpf100

·May 10, 2026

Thank you all very much for the helpful replies.

I decided not to buy the watch and will try to be patient and wait for a better example with sharper doglegs 😀

In the meantime, I will try to learn how to assess these watches properly, and this forum is already proving to be a huge help.

One more question regarding the minute markers: what are the main things you usually look for there when trying to identify a possible redial?

Thanks again!

 

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SOG53

·May 10, 2026

1. Minute tics should be evenly spaced
2. They should be very close to the pie pan line not far away
3. Mark at each index should be very close- touching the marker , and be rectangular with serif visible on magnification.

 

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Sumpf100

·May 10, 2026

Thanks!

 

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SOG53

·May 10, 2026

You can also see the onyx inserts embedded in the steel marker, with the roofline easily seen on the 2 and 3 markers. That is how to distinguish from painted markers which are less desirable.