Help to identify a black & gold tachymeter vintage Chronograph

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Hello to all :O)

I have the chance to buy this beautiful watch and before taking any decision I always love to hear from you.
The brand I have no idea about it may be you know better than me. The caliber.... no chance to open the watch yet.
Dial..... I love the dial.
I'll be waiting for all your inputs.
Thanks,

 
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According to Mikrolisk, Ravis was a wordmark of Fabrique de Montres Imowa SA / Benno Dreyfuss of Zurich, Switzerland; registered on 23.6.1939. Imowa had a few other brands back in the day, my favorite of which was the (Dr.) "Drewatch."

Based on the few fuzzy photos above, all you can do is check the dial to look for flaking paint (make sure the text and printed scales are present and that the numbers line up with the seconds marks) and check the back for the gold hallmarks. The poinçons de maître can be looked up here: https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/swisspdm.php
 
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According to Mikrolisk, Ravis was a wordmark of Fabrique de Montres Imowa SA / Benno Dreyfuss of Zurich, Switzerland; registered on 23.6.1939. Imowa had a few other brands back in the day, my favorite of which was the (Dr.) "Drewatch."

Based on the few fuzzy photos above, all you can do is check the dial to look for flaking paint (make sure the text and printed scales are present and that the numbers line up with the seconds marks) and check the back for the gold hallmarks. The poinçons de maître can be looked up here: https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/swisspdm.php
Honestly mods should put David’s website as a sticky somewhere. Great straps too.
 
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According to Mikrolisk, Ravis was a wordmark of Fabrique de Montres Imowa SA / Benno Dreyfuss of Zurich, Switzerland; registered on 23.6.1939. Imowa had a few other brands back in the day, my favorite of which was the (Dr.) "Drewatch."

Based on the few fuzzy photos above, all you can do is check the dial to look for flaking paint (make sure the text and printed scales are present and that the numbers line up with the seconds marks) and check the back for the gold hallmarks. The poinçons de maître can be looked up here: https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/swisspdm.php
thanks Vitezi, I'll try to get better pics from the seller even do I need to go an see the watch by myself . Any idea about the caliber that can have the watch? it's a collectable watch or should I pass? still don't know the asking price , I guess I will have to make him and offer. thanks,
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According to Mikrolisk, Ravis was a wordmark of Fabrique de Montres Imowa SA / Benno Dreyfuss of Zurich, Switzerland; registered on 23.6.1939. Imowa had a few other brands back in the day, my favorite of which was the (Dr.) "Drewatch."

Based on the few fuzzy photos above, all you can do is check the dial to look for flaking paint (make sure the text and printed scales are present and that the numbers line up with the seconds marks) and check the back for the gold hallmarks. The poinçons de maître can be looked up here: https://www.vintagewatchstraps.com/swisspdm.php
one more question:
check the back for the gold hallmarks?? should I check that the hallmarks is from the brand Ravis?? thanks
 
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Buy the watch because it’s a good looking piece and you like it and are willing to spend to service. Asking price = gold value IMO. Don’t buy if you seek an investment.
 
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Any idea about the caliber that can have the watch?
Other chronographs marketed by Imowa seem to use Landeron movements, but it's anybody's guess until you get a peek inside.
it's a collectable watch or should I pass?
The late-30s/early-40s were arguably the golden age of chronographs, so anything from that period is collectible. If you're going to wear it, don't forget it will likely need a movement service that will be more expensive than a simple three-hand watch.
check the back for the gold hallmarks??
Your watch case appears to have hallmarks in the blurry caseback picture above. Most watch case manufacturers stamped those hallmarks on the inside, but your example the marks are on the outside. Hallmarks stamped on the outside are often a sign of a fake (gold) case, so you need to do your homework. Read the links I provided to you above. Verify the hallmarks match the stamped case. Use the hallmarks to identify the case maker. Look for other examples of that casemaker's work to see if they were stamped on the outside too. Make sure it is a solid gold case and not a gold-plated case so that you don't overpay for a solid gold case if, in fact, it is not. 😀
 
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Buy the watch because it’s a good looking piece and you like it and are willing to spend to service. Asking price = gold value IMO. Don’t buy if you seek an investment.
thanks Larry, I'll do my best to get it at Gold price or even less , service is quite expensive for Chronograph
 
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It’s a handsome beast.
 
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Other chronographs marketed by Imowa seem to use Landeron movements, but it's anybody's guess until you get a peek inside.

The late-30s/early-40s were arguably the golden age of chronographs, so anything from that period is collectible. If you're going to wear it, don't forget it will likely need a movement service that will be more expensive than a simple three-hand watch.

Your watch case appears to have hallmarks in the blurry caseback picture above. Most watch case manufacturers stamped those hallmarks on the inside, but your example the marks are on the outside. Hallmarks stamped on the outside are often a sign of a fake (gold) case, so you need to do your homework. Read the links I provided to you above. Verify the hallmarks match the stamped case. Use the hallmarks to identify the case maker. Look for other examples of that casemaker's work to see if they were stamped on the outside too. Make sure it is a solid gold case and not a gold-plated case so that you don't overpay for a solid gold case if, in fact, it is not. 😀
thanks :O)
from the hallmark it seems made by Carnal & Cie. SA as has the 167 on the hammer head. Let's see if I get a good deal, otherwise I will pass on the watch as Chronographs are expensive to service