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  1. joerg Dec 22, 2015

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    Hi.
    3 questions.
    1. does this watch also has the Hesalith glas with Omega Logo in center?
    2. what are the possible steel bracelets for that kind of watch and what would be a reasonable selling price? See pic.
    3. the case has a number starting with 48, so is it from 85? These watches were not sold in 85, or?

    Thx for help.

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  2. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    My Speedmaster originally started out as this model, so I can help you!

    1. Yes, Hesalite with Omega symbol.
    2. I originally had a 1498/840 bracelet on mine, and upgraded to the 1998/840, then changed the end pieces to the 1998/849, and then exchanged the bracelet for 1171/1-633. The current 1998/849 from Otto Frei (get them before they sell out!) is $750.
    3. If your serial number begins with 48, it does not match mine, that begins with 77. I've been told that special editions do not follow the usual serial number pattern. Don't know why.

    The bottom watch in this picture is my Speedmaster 57 Replica after changing the bezel, the hands, and the bracelet. What you show above is how that watch came from the factory, except for the strap. Interestingly enough, Otto Frei has the tan strap and 16mm deplyant buckle this watch also came with. Further information will be supplied if you have an interest.

    Tom
     
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  3. joerg Dec 22, 2015

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    Yes, I am interested :)
     
  4. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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  5. joerg Dec 22, 2015

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    1. Ok, I can not see the Omega Logo in center of the glass - I go to the optician tomorrow
    2. mine is a 1998-849. the attached leather strap is a Bulang & Sons.
    3. ok with the serial numbers, just wondered
     
  6. yinzerniner Dec 22, 2015

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    1.) Pretty sure all the Omega factory Hesalite crystals come with the Omega sign printed on the underside (inside) of the crystal. Some are more noticeable than others
    2.) The 1998-849 DID NOT originally come with the Broad Arrow models. The original bracelet was the 1620 / 887. The fit is the same, the differences are:
    -Clasp does not have "Professional" on it. The Broad Arrow predated the Speedy Pro, so the homage included a clasp without the Professional moniker
    -The links are more rounded than the links on the Speedy Pro bracelets, either 1998 or 1498/1499.
    1620 / 887 bracelets are probably impossible to find new, but used ones go for significantly less than 1998 or 1498/1499 bracelets (30-40%).
    3.) I believe Speedy serial numbers jumped from around 48xxxxx to 77xxxxx right about when the caliber went from 861/863 to 1861/1863, or when it went from gilded to rhodium plated. I've never seen a 5xxxxxx or 6xxxxxx serial Speedy, although they might be out there, so don't completely take my word for it.

    And finally don't try to date your Speedy by serial numbers as it's in no way reliable. The best bet is getting a +/-4 year window, and even then is it when the watch was sold, manufactured, assembled, etc? Who really knows.
     
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  7. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    This watch is not a "Broad Arrow". It came with the 1498/840, and the clasp definitely said "Omega Speedmaster Professional".

    I don't know where you got your information, but I bought this exact watch new and I know what it came with. I stand by my information 100% because... I was there!

    Tom
     
  8. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    Checked the box, the reference number is 3594.50

    Tom
     
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  10. yinzerniner Dec 22, 2015

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    You must have purchased one of the earlier versions of this model, as the later ones came with the 1620 bracelet. I believe Omega started calling it the "Broad Arrow" later as well, so all the points are valid. Their parts bin nature and weird naming conventions are pretty well documented.
     
  11. joerg Dec 22, 2015

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    Dear Tom. I asked for help about my watch and you came up with your - let's say - custom watch and now maybe some of the readers are confused.

    I still would be interested in getting valid information about the original Broad Arrow Replica 1957:
    - hesalith with Logo correct
    - bracelet with professional on it correct?
    - I think case numbers is not an issue
     
  12. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    I would believe earlier. The only thing differentiating my watch from a Moon Watch at the time was the bezel, dial, and hands.

    Tom
     
  13. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    Hesalite with logo, correct
    Bracelet with professional on it correct... for the watch I bought
    Case number, I don't recall.

    Tom
     
  14. yinzerniner Dec 22, 2015

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    Pretty sure the caseback is different as well.
     
  15. joerg Dec 22, 2015

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    Again thank you Tom. Dont blame me but Id like to have other opinions too.
     
  16. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    You are correct, I forgot that! Hippocampus in the middle, no other markings.

    Tom
     
  17. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    No problem! It's due diligence.

    Tom
     
  18. yinzerniner Dec 22, 2015

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    You are not allowed to agree with me!
    But seriously the 3594 is a really nice piece with a cool vintage vibe. Definitely differentiates itself from it's Speedy Pro brothers.
     
  19. joerg Dec 22, 2015

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    Yes!

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  20. VetPsychWars Wants to be in the club! Dec 22, 2015

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    Hah!

    Indeed. Ultimately it did not agree with me and my usage. The steel bezel reflected into my eyes as I drove home from work. Trying to use the chronograph when that big fat arrow completely blocked the register was no use, either.

    Tom