Hello,

This is my first post here, very nice site. I have bought a couple of watches these past few years but I only recently learnt on this site that some dials can be refinished/redialed, and after giving a second look at two of my watches, I have now some doubts.

May I submit this to you, just for the game ? I do not intend to stop wearing them even if proved to be redialed.

The first one is an omega seamaster automatic:


What is doubtful? the seamaster script. I looked up on google but never found a script with this first S and this last R together. Moreover, the link between the A and S of master seems too long.
Also, the space between swiss and made seems too large.

The second one is an omega constellation electronic (tuning fork)



What is doubtful? First, all electronic omega seems to have a f300 tag on the dial and a red omega logo. Second, there are no minute markers. Third, the shape of the omega logo is not usual. Forth, the fonts do not seem identical in Electronic and in Chronometer. Fifth: the case back lack any constellation image:



I purchased both watches on Ebay. The seamaster was serviced in 2010 by omega, they did say that no dial is available in stocks but did not say anything about the genuineness of the current dial (but they are not supposed to I think). They changed of couple of wheels and spring and crown.

The constellation has a tuning fork movement (easy to open the case back) and this is what appears inside.



So, what do you think? I thank you in advance for your consideration.

 

Can't say anything about the automatic, but the f300 looks OK for me. Is the movement gold plated or nickel?

 

Case number is very odd for a F300 hummer. I was under the impression that all hummers were of the form 198.XXX. I suppose 193 or 194 would make some sense as it would indicate mens, electronic, non water resistant non calendar non chronometer which matches that dial. Though I note the movement fitted is the standard 1250 hummer which does have date function, presumably redundant here. The only hit I get for it is one pic of a similar piece on a Japanese auction site. This is inconclusive. You either have something very rare (though not all that desirable) or a Franken/fake.

 

I also have some with 196.XXX.

 

I am getting deja vu, I think we had this conversation before Jack. 196 would denote a non-chronometer hummer, can't remember what you said before, is yours and early 196.001 model from 1970? Perhaps from before they routinely certified the hummers and moved over to 198.XXX?

The OP watch looks to be 34m so about 1972, this was firmly into the era of routine Chronometer certification but that doesn't mean it isn't a legit variation. Perhaps it was something funky done just in low numbers for the Japanese market?

 

Yes we had the discussion. Only wanted to say, that there are known others than 198.

 

Thank you for your reply, seems like omega makes things difficult with their tons of models, and if we add frankenwatchers on top of it, it becomes complicated

"Is the movement gold plated or nickel?" I am not able to say, it is probably nickel given the general level of the watch.

 

Then it is not an Omega movement. They where all nickel colored, except for Omega.

 

I think it It is an omega movement, the pic makes it look silver. He didn’t understand you, it’s bronze coloured and beryllium coated. The ESA version is nickel ie silver coloured and doesn’t have the Omega serial plate and isn’t marked 1250. Unless it is silver coloured and the plate has been swapped on the movement is fine. In reality the ESA version is identical other than the colour anyhow.

 

My opinion would be as above, auto a redial and hummer not.