So... i bought this "Ed White" in a vintage shop in Spain because of the brace that was sitting on it and the DON bezel I have used it as a daily beater, but a month ago i bought a all org. 145.012.67 and that won't leave my wrist

I was suggested to get a extract and i showed quite a surprise... as i understand it the movement have ben changed at some time! The movement number is 22088543 and is as you see a cal.321 but not born in this watch... Is i normal that the movement have been changed and how do it affect the watch?



I am a bit of novice into vintage Speedmasters, but until know the knowledge i have getting due to this watch have been great! I am thou left with some questions...

- The caseback is stamped 105.003.65 which some my think was wrong to the case (he suggested that it might be a .64 case do to the polished lugs...) What do you think? - sorry for the poor image



- The dial i obviously wrong, but to which Speedmasters does it fit?

- The chrono-hand is not correct either, does it fit to the dial or?

- Is the other hands correct?

- What about the pushers, the crown isn't correct i think... !?

The watch is not for the purist so we don't have to go that way in a discussion, but i really hope to get knowledge on the watch I have tried speedmaster101 and there are "tons" of dial and variations, so this confused me a bit...



// Simon

 

Hi Simon

I have the feeling that you have a example of a put together watch here.

The case looks to me to be a service part, so does the crown as well as the pushers. The dial has long indexes but PROFESSIONAL so it doesn't belong to Ed Whites, rather 145.012 I'd say based on the Swiss Made marking. Hour and minutes hands look okay. Chrono hand looks vintage and tritium but rather for a 145.012 or 145.022 reference. Subdial hands may also be service parts, hard to say.

On top of that, the movement comes from another (much cheaper) cal 321-powered reference.

How does it affect the value? I would say heavily. You might only figure it out when you'll try to resell it yourself...

If it was mine and if it was sold (and priced) as a 105.003, I would contact the seller and claim my money back.

 

As you mentioned, it's pretty much a watch put together from a bunch of parts that did not originally belong together. Here's where some of the parts would have come from:

- Movement: A 1965 Seamaster
- Dial: From a 105.012, or 145.012
- Caseback: 105.003-65
- Hands: The chrono seconds hand is from at least 145.012 or later, but my guess would be more towards the late 70's+ from its color. No real telling about the hour and minute hands, but they're a different color than the seconds hand, so they probably weren't made together. The subdial hands do have a sharper point, with is usually seen on older speedmasters to my memory.
- I'm not great with cases and pushers, So I believe Kov on that.

It's a parts watch, so it's value will be in it's parts, not in it's value as a speedmaster. If you were to sell it, I imagine that's value would be better realized by selling it's parts individually.

 

Thanks The seller didn't know what he had so the price wasn't at all like a normal ed white! I am not unhappy with the purchase... I was fully aware that the watch was putted together but first found out the movement wasnt from a Speedy?

I what way does this cal.312 movement separates from a cal. 321 from a 105.003 ?

 

It is not a 312, it is also a caliber 321 you have in your watch. I would say it's identical to a cal.321 coming from an Ed White produced as such. The only thing which is different is that Omega logged that serial number as a movement installed in a 18k solid pink gold Seamaster back in 1965 instead of an Ed White Speedmaster.

At the end of the day, what's disturbing here is the number of things that don't belong to each other

 

Well, there can be many theories about how this was all put together but it has a nice DON and if you like it and did not pay too much, it is a fine
beater watch.

 

If you come to selling it in the future you might be better off selling all the parts off separately. Still nice watch though

 

Sorry, typo Yes, it is a true franken watch... But that is all i "take it for" if it makes sense!

 

Makes totally sense, wear the hell out of it

 

Gotta be over £6000 in parts regardless

 

If you didn't pay more than the sum of it's parts, enjoy it, or part it out now that you have an orig 145.012

 

Looks like a nice back and case band. Shame about the pushers.

If you do decide to part it out, dibs on the case and, in particular, the back. I have a deserving watch!

But, yeah, you should wear the hell out of it instead. I know I would.

BTW, the movement must have looked gorgeous in 18k rose gold! Mine’s yellow 14k but I’d prefer rose 18k!

 

To piggyback AnS,


Dibs on the DON

 

I think I will keep the watch for know and I need to debate and write here a bit more before I can sell it in here

 

If you like the watch, you should totally wear it. The true value in a watch is the one we place on it.

Wear it sir and make some memories, but if you decide otherwise...

 

Is there any way I can tell if it a service case or a .64 or a .65 ?

 

Just like a dog from the pound/shelter, still a good dog just won't win any dog show ribbons

Aka the "Mut speedmaster"

 

That bezel is too good to "beat". If I owned that watch I would replace it with a DNN, wear that and keep the DON in reserve for whatever the future may hold.

 

What is the value of a bezel like this? I see it as a jungle where they range from $2000-5000 !?

 

Not 5 but not 2 either. Wait for offers.