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Help estimate Value of 168.005 with restored our marker

Tim Const
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I have the option to buy a 168.005 with original papers and this beautiful patina. Unfortunately, the marker on the 6 has been restored at some point, and the execution was not done very well.
It's the 18k version, but it does not come with the original strap.

What do yoou guys estimate its value.
Seller does not want to go below 4000 Euros

Thank you very much guys pictures below 😀
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SOG53
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I believe the 6 marker should be larger/double compared to other indices, like this SS example. So the 6 marker on your example may not even be correct, as well as sloppy.
Lots of dial damage (patina as you say)
Dial photo very poor and blurred I would ask for better photo
Price not attractive to me with issues
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felsby
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I buy watches to wear and enjoy, but I have to hold my expenses accountable to myself, so I mostly try to find out if I can recoup expenses at an eventual later sale. Applying that logic to this watch would result in a bid of max. 2200 €. I do have watches with heavy dial patina, but not in this price range. The 6 marker is completely insignificant in comparison, and it would be possible to fix, unlike the dial.
 
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Better photos here.
 
Dan S
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TBH, I think that the condition of the dial kills the value, regardless of the marker. I think that very few people would find that dial damage attractive, and it will be very difficult to sell. If the seller is stuck on 4000 Euros, he's not serious about selling it, IMO.
 
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SOG53 SOG53
I believe the 6 marker should be larger/double compared to other indices, like this SS example. So the 6 marker on your example may not even be correct, as well as sloppy.
IMG_2783.webp
The 168.005/6 had a normal marker at 6.
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Tim Const
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SOG53 SOG53
I believe the 6 marker should be larger/double compared to other indices, like this SS example. So the 6 marker on your example may not even be correct, as well as sloppy.
Lots of dial damage (patina as you say)
Dial photo very poor and blurred I would ask for better photo
Price not attractive to me with issues
IMG_2783.webp
thank you very much for your input. Personally i like the patina. but can it maybe get worse over time?
original papers are there. how much you think the watch is worth?
 
Tim Const
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felsby felsby
I buy watches to wear and enjoy, but I have to hold my expenses accountable to myself, so I mostly try to find out if I can recoup expenses at an eventual later sale. Applying that logic to this watch would result in a bid of max. 2200 €. I do have watches with heavy dial patina, but not in this price range. The 6 marker is completely insignificant in comparison, and it would be possible to fix, unlike the dial.
thank you very much for your pricerange. i love the watch and i like the patina somehow. but the seller did not believe at me as i told him restoration of dials can half the value of a watch
 
Tim Const
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Dan S Dan S
TBH, I think that the condition of the dial kills the value, regardless of the marker. I think that very few people would find that dial damage attractive, and it will be very difficult to sell. If the seller is stuck on 4000 Euros, he's not serious about selling it, IMO.
he has the same opinions as me about the dial. i really like it and the original papers are present aswell. He does not believe me abut the value reduction.
 
SOG53
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Original papers don’t add much to value, particularly with watch that has issues. Not a reason to buy flawed watch.
Patina issue is a matter of taste but when you consider resale value you are halving the number of potential buyers.
Many new collectors swear they will never sell, but you will and will regret taking a haircut on a watch of this price.
And btw never put credence in a sellers opinion of value.
That’s all the wisdom I can muster up at this moment.
Good luck on your journey!!
 
Peemacgee
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As @felsby alludes to above, this is a 168.006 deluxe constellation with a gold dial and special broad, flat, onyx inserts in the indices.

The desirability of these crème de la crème constellations is their ‘fineness’.

Whilst the case is in ok condition and beauty is in the eye of the beholder - because of the poor condition of the dial ( including the Heath Robinson replacement marker) the minimum value is essentially in the gold weight.

It is definitely not a €4,000 watch.
 
Dan S
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he has the same opinions as me about the dial. i really like it ...::facepalm1::
What a shock! The seller thinks the damaged dial is beautiful.
 
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Tim Const Tim Const
thank you very much for your pricerange. i love the watch and i like the patina somehow. but the seller did not believe at me as i told him restoration of dials can half the value of a watch
Not your problem. 18k 168.005s aren’t exactly rare and there’s no reason to overpay this significantly for a less than mediocre example. For 4k I’d expect the condition to be very good. Personally, I wouldn’t buy this for half but I agree that’s roughly what it would bring at an auction.
 
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