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·Just found this Roamer rotodate Incabloc 23 jewel gold watch all in working condition just a broken link in band. I cannot find this watch model anywhere on the internet. Band is a Supra Fido Flex in rolled gold.
Help can someone identify this Roamer Rotodate watch and approx value
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·You don't see too many of the 23 jewel movements, they were only sold for a short time as a stop gap measure by Roamer whilst they developed their own movement.
The one Roamer used is a Felsa 4002 or 4007N movement which Roamer reworked to their own very high standards whilst developing the 44 jewel MST436 and 437 calibers.
http://roamer-watches.info/MST441.shtml
Once cleaned up yours will look very nice, yours looks like it maybe the original lens which should be retained if possible as they have like Omega signed lenses in this case RW engraved in the center, a decent polish will have it looking like new provided there are no cracks in it, the crown looks to be the correct automatic original one.
The water proof case system that Roamer used is extremely good and generally means there is little dial degradation gone on due to moisture ingress but that's difficult to determine until the lens is polished, though to be fair I only have 2 examples of the 23 Jewel automatics in my collection and both have slight dial degradation whilst every other Roamer water proof cased watch I have (and there are a lot of them ) the dials are all perfect so would be interested to see a good dial photo of your once the lens is either polished or replaced.
The watch case is just a carrier for the movement in the Roamer water proof system and can be pushed out leaving just the bare watch carrier case, the movement unit complete with their backs and lenses can be readily swapped to another carrier case if they are too worn though yours looks quite good for a gold pated example.
The one Roamer used is a Felsa 4002 or 4007N movement which Roamer reworked to their own very high standards whilst developing the 44 jewel MST436 and 437 calibers.
http://roamer-watches.info/MST441.shtml
Once cleaned up yours will look very nice, yours looks like it maybe the original lens which should be retained if possible as they have like Omega signed lenses in this case RW engraved in the center, a decent polish will have it looking like new provided there are no cracks in it, the crown looks to be the correct automatic original one.
The water proof case system that Roamer used is extremely good and generally means there is little dial degradation gone on due to moisture ingress but that's difficult to determine until the lens is polished, though to be fair I only have 2 examples of the 23 Jewel automatics in my collection and both have slight dial degradation whilst every other Roamer water proof cased watch I have (and there are a lot of them ) the dials are all perfect so would be interested to see a good dial photo of your once the lens is either polished or replaced.
The watch case is just a carrier for the movement in the Roamer water proof system and can be pushed out leaving just the bare watch carrier case, the movement unit complete with their backs and lenses can be readily swapped to another carrier case if they are too worn though yours looks quite good for a gold pated example.
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goldbug
·You don't see too many of the 23 jewel movements, they were only sold for a short time as a stop gap measure by Roamer whilst they developed their own movement.
The one Roamer used is a Felsa 4002 or 4007N movement which Roamer reworked to their own standards whilst developing the 44 jewel MST436 and 437 calibres.
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goldbug
·Lens is in perfect condition for a old one no visible cracks or chips
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·Here are my 2.
They don't have a model number as such from Roamer as this wasn't something that Roamer was doing in the early 60's
Hard to ascribe a value to them, eBay sold items probably would be the best way to determine value however it is not high, Roamer is a very underappreciated brand, they are however top class watches.
Your lens would benefit from a polish either that or your photos are not to good.
They don't have a model number as such from Roamer as this wasn't something that Roamer was doing in the early 60's
Hard to ascribe a value to them, eBay sold items probably would be the best way to determine value however it is not high, Roamer is a very underappreciated brand, they are however top class watches.
Your lens would benefit from a polish either that or your photos are not to good.
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·G goldbugLens is in perfect condition for a old one no visible cracks or chips
Here are my 2.
They don't have a model number as such from Roamer as this wasn't something that Roamer was doing in the early 60's
Hard to ascribe a value to them, eBay sold items probably would be the best way to determine value however it is not high, Roamer is a very underappreciated brand, they are however top class watches.
Your lens would benefit from a polish either that or your photos are not to good.
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·G goldbugIdid notice your two watches that is what made me join so as someone could give me a year of make,mine is the only Roamer watch I could see that had the gold hour markings like that not numbers.
Another point with dating Roamers that don't have a reference number is that Roamer seems to have continued with some of its older calibers way past expected dates of movement manufacture as in my 2 examples one with the earlier separate chapter ring and the other obviously later one with out the chapter ring even though the Felsa movement was only a stop gap measure they seemed to use it well beyond the expected dates given that it had been superseded by later calibers, maybe they were just using up excess movement stock?
When Roamer changed from its MST436/7 to the MST470/1 mid 1960's the separate chapter ring was done away with.
I wouldn't be to concerned about Arabic markers (numbers) as opposed to none, I am quite certain that Roamer had a department set up to make sure that no 2 dials ever looked alike. I have more than 60 Roamers from the same time period as yours and no 2 have the same dial! quite bizarre compared to other watch manufacturers of the day, mix and match seems to have been their byword.
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·G goldbugIdid notice your two watches that is what made me join so as someone could give me a year of make,mine is the only Roamer watch I could see that had the gold hour markings like that not numbers.
Hard to tell exactly the date of manufacture but likely somewhere around 1960 to 1964, its interesting to note that yours doesn't have a separate chapter ring for the minutes which to me speaks of a later watch rather than earlier.
Another point with dating Roamers that don't have a reference number is that Roamer seems to have continued with some of its older calibers way past expected dates of movement manufacture as in my 2 examples one with the earlier separate chapter ring and the other obviously later one with out the chapter ring even though the Felsa movement was only a stop gap measure they seemed to use it well beyond the expected dates given that it had been superseded by later calibers, maybe they were just using up excess movement stock?
When Roamer changed from its MST436/7 to the MST470/1 mid 1960's the separate chapter ring was done away with.
I wouldn't be to concerned about Arabic markers (numbers) as opposed to none, I am quite certain that Roamer had a department set up to make sure that no 2 dials ever looked alike. I have more than 60 Roamers from the same time period as yours and no 2 have the same dial! quite bizarre compared to other watch manufacturers of the day, mix and match seems to have been their byword.
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·G goldbugTried E-Bay as you said lots of Roamers but not this one in the sold section. Bizzare not one pic of the same watch on the internet.
They have a square date window, the MST437 have a parallelogram shaped one, the 21 Jewel also has a square one to add to the confusion and there are some manual wind 17 jewel movements with the square date widow too though these are generally smaller diameter watches ie 31- 33 mm.
The case backs can provide a bit of a clue but they are still the same on the 21, 23 and 44 jewel watches.
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·About your only clue is the 23 jewel on the dial but even then its not always there.
They have a square date window, the MST437 have a parallelogram shaped one, the 21 Jewel also has a square one to add to the confusion and there are some manual wind 17 jewel movements with the square date widow too though these are generally smaller diameter watches ie 31- 33 mm.
The case backs can provide a bit of a clue but they are still the same on the 21, 23 and 44 jewel watches.
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watchyouwant
·Value as is ? $ 100-150.
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Dan S
·Gold-plated watch from a fairly obscure brand, so very little value.
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Omegafanman
·Nice watch, but more a labour of love.
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goldbug
·G goldbugMine does say 23 jewels on the face of the watch
Value as is ? $ 100-150.
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goldbug
·All original as is early 1960’s hard to get a good shot of the face as the gold glares,patina is absolutely beutiful.
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padders
··Oooo subtitles!In Philadelphia, it's worth 50 bucks
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goldbug
·Can you show me a picture of one for sale. That exact watch. Most Roamers go for 150-300 in australia
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goldbug
·Most things in philli are sold for $50 the cost of a deal bag. Sorry couldn’t resist
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watchyouwant
·This conversation is getting boring ... You are sitting on a Gold Mine . Enjoy!
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·This conversation is getting boring ... You are sitting on a Gold Mine . Enjoy!
