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Heavily Damaged 2998-1 & 2 Dial sells for $7,200 on Ebay ??????

  1. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Apr 15, 2016

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  2. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 15, 2016

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    Call it tropical, charge double :D

    Rule #4 from the vintage Rolex dealer's playbook, and getting applied more and more to Speedmaster that aren't pleasingly chocolate but rather just damaged.
     
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  3. sky21 Apr 15, 2016

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    Now that is crazy!! What is the winner going to do with that in that condition? With prices this crazy just think, if you sold your whole collection you could probably buy a nice second home on a beach somewhere!!
     
  4. cimo Apr 15, 2016

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    And from Central America..land of the Frankens. Someone must have really wanted that specific dial. Or you know, shills.
     
  5. dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Apr 15, 2016

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    [​IMG]

    Tropical Porsche
     
  6. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia Apr 15, 2016

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    The big bidders at the end appeared real, not shills. As for Central America, the dial is legit. It's just very messed up.
     
  7. cristos71 Apr 15, 2016

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    Now that was funny! :p
     
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  8. alam Apr 15, 2016

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  9. Tom Dick and Harry Apr 15, 2016

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    Yep, another case of speedmaster fever I'm afraid chaps, just like last nights auction results! crackers
     
  10. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Apr 15, 2016

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    Wow, let's watch out for that bad boy to appear on an "all original" watch in the near future...
     
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  11. abrod520 Apr 15, 2016

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  12. alam Apr 15, 2016

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    and I do agree!!!
     
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  13. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Apr 15, 2016

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    Ultra rare nicely aged tropical dial - never restored!
     
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  14. alam Apr 15, 2016

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    a note to myself, posted on my refrigerator door...

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  15. Javi22 Apr 15, 2016

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    Crazy vintage Speedmaster world.::popcorn:::taunt:
     
  16. jens0125 knows that watches were made to be worn Apr 15, 2016

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    if i had a 2998 with a service dial or redial...(i think there was an ebay bad redial 2998 a few months ago) then maybe i would consider, but not at that price point though.....
     
  17. jens0125 knows that watches were made to be worn Apr 15, 2016

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  18. sky21 Apr 15, 2016

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  19. Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Apr 15, 2016

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    Well I was a bidder but at way less. This is a damaged, poor condition dial.

    BUT....

    It is original, and interesting - it is riding the line between awful and interesting. I think many who own fair to good examples of a watch with this specification dial will baulk at the price vs condition.

    First the dial is for an early early speedmaster, up to about 2998-2. I think it could be on a 2915 - but I am no expert on these. I do not expect to see this dial on a later 2998, so it would not actually fit with the watch quoted above as it is a 2998-62.
    So we are talking about early, valuable watches. BROWN DIAL.jpg

    The dial body colour is lovely, where not damaged.
    There is no step, just a slight dome.
    The short indices on the minute subdial indicate the early nature of the dial.
    The SWISS MADE is indistinct, but present, and no sign of T's. (We do have to check).
    The degradation is bad, not only on the body colour but on the markers. On a later dial this sort of damaged would have the dial thrown in the drawer. I am not sure what it is, but it looks almost biological, I wonder if some of the green can be removed - but thats a hell of a gamble. Not one I would think will pay off.

    Now even if the buyer has come this far, and still wants it, there is this:

    BACK BROWN DIAL.jpg

    The missing dial foot is A BIG DEAL.

    I have replaced dial feet, some successfully and some not. Of the successful ones, some still show a "burn" mark on the front. Its another huge risk. The dial foot is missing at the same place where the dial is actually good, so raising the potential downside if it becomes damaged as one of the few nice parts of the dial will be lost.

    Now does it make financial sense?

    That depends how good it looks under glass - and I think it will improve. It will always remain damaged, but I think the colour will show through better and the damage will be reduced to the eye. It is also my experience that a damaged dial usually looks worse in photos - In fact when I am assessing a watch I often take high resolution photos to study it, even when I have the watch in hand.

    So take a 2998-1 with a service dial, then add this and I think you would see a $7200 increase in price. If you have a 2915 with a service dial, then I think the cost is easily justified.

    But remember, the buyer still has the high risk of soldering on a dial foot to an already compromised dial.

    Perhaps we will see this dial reappear on the market in a watch.
     
  20. sky21 Apr 15, 2016

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    So what happened with the auction last night and who held it??