Following on from a thread I posted a few days ago, it became clear that my 1958 Constellation may have an unusual font/script type.

the ‘t’s and ‘n’s are a little different, but notably the way the second ‘t’ rises up to the top of the following ‘i’ is striking. See the first photo for my example.

Initial thoughts were that it was not ‘genuine’, however further research came up with two further, identical examples.

One was for a watch on sale with virtually the same dial configuration (see the second photo).

The other was on a Japanese market ‘jumbo’ dial Constellation. The third photo (taken off another website http://omega-constellation-collecto...other-rare-omega-constellation-jumbo.html?m=1) has been cropped in to highlight that.

Have other members come across this before?

My 1958 Constellation (167xxxxx) is of the same format as the other black dial that was advertised for sale (164xxxxx). That is to say 2943.2.SC 504 caliber, black dial, solid gold batons, hands (only) that may have had radium, the word “chronometer” with the ‘-meter’ and not ‘-metre’ spelling, and the absence of the word ‘calendar’ below Constellation. I believe my example was likely purchased in either Singapore or Malaysia.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge and insights.

 

Hi @Sockie
there are a couple of members who haven't commented in your other thread who might have something to add to the conversation
@mondodec
@MSNWatch
@hoipolloi

(I'm sure there are others too who can chime in)

 

Ah, I may just have found the answer to my own query...

I’m just discovering this excellent website, and the subject is covered there. Here are three further examples of this script...

http://download1080.mediafire.com/pec5pc5yq71g/2khn9grys18kc78/Condialdefinitive+part+2V2.pdf

 

The first ones are the examples I referred to in your original thread.
Yours is not like the first ones but is like the last one and the jumbo shown on Desmond’s site.
It’s possible that collectors had overlooked the text on the jumbo because it’s a rare watch and dismissed the cal 505 as a redial because of those ‘unusual’ hands.

I’ll say publicly what I said to you privately.
No-one had mentioned this specific later style of crossed-t ‘Chronometer’ dial before you posted your watch and nothing excites members more than newly exposed information.
So well done for bringing something new to the attention of the forum.

 

I think I did mention this one here in this thread.

https://omegaforums.net/threads/sho...168-001-14777-14395-and-14396-allowed.109416/

The script is a mix of 1st generation and 5th (?) makes it a unique and interesting dial that you can tell right away when you see the second one.

 

I stand corrected!
It is indeed the exact same script style

I think the intricacies evoked by the generational-script description perhaps passed over the heads of most.
(well, certainly mine anyway )

It is interesting that this (alongside Desmond's example) is the second (and rare 14396) jumbo and both with cal 505 as has the regency stripe (2852?) watch.
The OPs plus the RM Gallagher watch are the only black dial cal 504s

it might be useful for @Sockie to collate the references and serial numbers of the known watches to see if there is a particular timescale or grouping to these dials

 

My Constellation case reference is 2943.2.SC

33mm case. 1958 caliber 504. Serial number 167xxxxx.

 

FYI, the 14396 examples are all 16,5m 505 movements circa 1960.

 

One similar/almost identical to my 2943 Constellation Is as shown in these photos.

ref 2943, caliber 505, serial number 164xxxxx, 1958 watch.