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Spazz27
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Hi,

This is what appears to be your typical - but gorgeous - Speedmaster 105.012 from the late 60's.

But upon further research, I discovered even though this doesn't have it's dot over the 90, it's still it's original bezel insert!

Apparently this happened, but very rarely. And the Omega museum has a couple examples of this. So I believe it to be legit.

The rest of the watch is all original as well except its crystal, which is new.

Accuracy is extremely good. At least I was surprised.

I timed it throughout its power reserve and has been a consistent +8s/day to +15s/day.

And not only did it match it's 50hour power reserve, during my test it blew it away going to 55+ hours!

Surprising, but then again, it's a calibre 321 😀

Asking $5250OBO... but am happy to receive offers. It never hurts to ask or have a conversation.

In another listing, I also have a collectors item in its own right, the "Hecho en Mexico" bracelet, but this watch comes with a gorgeous and new distressed leather strap.

If interested in adding/swapping the SS please ask.

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Thanks!!

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speedy4ever
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Sorry but this bezel appeared in 1970 only. Omega Museum has such examples, only because they acquired examples with this bezel, which is service from the 70's. They also have this bezel on a famous 105.012-63...
 
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speedy4ever speedy4ever
Sorry but this bezel appeared in 1970 only. Omega Museum has such examples, only because they acquired examples with this bezel, which is service from the 70's. They also have this bezel on a famous 105.012-63...


Exactly - there were only Dot Over 90 bezels until the caliber 861 Speedmasters were introduced. Even I know that and I'm not a Speedmaster guy at all.
 
tomvox1
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What is going on with the luminous on the dial? Touched up maybe? Maybe you can provide a head on shot in good light without the added color stuff?
Thanks,
T.
 
Spazz27
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I thought the same thing regarding the bezel, so assume it was replaced which is not a big deal.

But then after some research, discovered that isn't the case. At least not according to the museum.

And in this case it has something to do with this being made for the South American market.

So again, I started out the same way, which would be fine. But because enough serious research says this may not be the case, I'm no longer definitive.

As for the lume is all original. Looks normal in person.

Thanks!
 
gatorcpa
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BTW, when it comes to watches..."unique" is not necessarily a good thing. One would need to find multiple examples of the same specifications to determine if this was a factory correct case/dial/bezel combination.
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Spazz27
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Hi gatorcpa,

I know what unique means, and I used it correctly to describe the watch.

Whether or not being unique is a good or bad thing is subjective I guess.

To me, its *usually* a good thing.

And you're right, if it was correct one would need to see multiple examples of the same configuration.

Hence the reason why I believe it *might* be original.

In other words, looking at it in the opposite way, there is absolutely enough info out there leave doubt that it hasn't been replaced.

Part of that is the bracelet which is the "Hecho en Mexico" bracelet and the fact I knew the original owner.

Either way, it's amazing abolition amazing. 😀
 
speedy4ever
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'according to museum'...funny. How could they know? there is no documentation about parts...
 
Spazz27
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They actually have a couple watches on display like this one... again, it worst it's not definitive.

At best, you never know?

Either way, it's just the bezel. Not the biggest deal when it comes to a watch still made today (the same look that is).

In other words, while changing the bezel affects value, when it's a 321 like this one, it doesn't change it that much.

😀
 
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Spazz27 Spazz27
Either way, it's just the bezel. Not the biggest deal when it comes to a watch still made today (the same look that is).


Well, to a collector it IS a big deal.

Spazz27 Spazz27
In other words, while changing the bezel affects value, when it's a 321 like this one, it doesn't change it that much.

Sure it does - and you're attempting to sway several hundred more dollars into your pocket.

I seem to remember a refinished dial you called original on a Seamaster you listed here too. We take a dim view of sellers playing fast & loose with the word "original".
 
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Whether or not being unique is a good or bad thing is subjective I guess.

Quite the opposite. It can't possibly be more objective. Either an item was made as a unique piece or it wasn't. No subjectivity there.

However, if a watch has factory made replacement parts, that's OK by me, so long as it is so disclosed. Which you now have done.

Nothing wrong with saying you don't know if you really don't know.
gatorcpa
 
Spazz27
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Well, the watch is for sale. So yes, I would like the money in my pocket.

If you have money you don't want, please let me know.

As for the value, it really isn't that much more. But in this case, like I said, it may be original (as I have yet to see any definitive proof objectively speaking either way). And if it is, then it's advantage buyer.

Plus you're welcome to make an offer if you think I'm asking too much.

Regarding the 320, that is an original dial. Just refinished.

If it wasn't refinished, it wouldn't look as good, but would have sold for $2000 more than it did.

That's being open and honest, not "fast and loose", sorry.

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Spazz27
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However, if a watch has factory made replacement parts, that's OK by me, so long as it is so disclosed. Which you now have done.

I agree. But to this moment I honestly couldn't tell you either way which it is.

That's why I disclosed what I did in the listing.

My gut tells me, given all the clues I've gathered, that it's original. But again, I can't find that definitive proof.

And this is coming from someone who would never have had doubts until I did my research.

Either way, I'm reasonable. And if someone makes a reasonable offer I'll accept.

Means to an end for me (royal oak)... And this 321 really really blew me away. 55+ hours power reserve? Are you kidding? 😀
 
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Spazz27 Spazz27
Well, the watch is for sale. So yes, I would like the money in my pocket.

If you have money you don't want, please let me know.

As for the value, it really isn't that much more. But in this case, like I said, it may be original (as I have yet to see any definitive proof objectively speaking either way). And if it is, then it's advantage buyer.

Plus you're welcome to make an offer if you think I'm asking too much.

Regarding the 320, that is an original dial. Just refinished.

If it wasn't refinished, it wouldn't look as good, but would have sold for $2000 more than it did.

That's being open and honest, not "fast and loose", sorry.

a.


Refinished means not original.. just original metal. I assume you didn't sell the 320 on this forums due to the price with refinished dial. Also a DON bezel means everything to a collector for a pre moon speedy.
 
Darlinboy
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"Original" is not the same as "correct", although those two terms are often used interchangeably. 🤦

Neither applies, IMO, to the bezel of this watch.
 
Spazz27
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chadpowe11 chadpowe11
Refinished means not original.. just original metal. I assume you didn't sell the 320 on this forums due to the price with refinished dial. Also a DON bezel means everything to a collector for a pre moon speedy.

...the buyer is most definitely a member of this forum (among others).

😀
 
Spazz27
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"Original" is not the same as "correct", although those two terms are often used interchangeably. 🤦

...you beat me to it! But I thought (maybe like you) that the difference/definistions should have been obvious.

Darlinboy Darlinboy
Neither applies, IMO, to the bezel of this watch.

...that's what I thought too, at first... It's what I always would have thought: that it was replaced along with the crystal.

Something that is very commonly done, and as another member mentioned, worth about $300 in value... tops!

But as I have said, after some research, after speaking with the original owner in Mexico, I couldn't say either way.

But that's why everyone is welcome to their opinion, and to offer what ever they think is fair 😀
 
Time Exposure
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Glad to know you're entertaining offers. At the price you listed I would have thought the lugs were straight, the crown and pushers unprotected, and the dial missing "Professional!"
Bottom line (and kidding aside), the 321 is a very desirable watch. Your example will find a home if you'll consider offers for Fair Market Value. And every time someone comments, it pops up on WatchRecon. Talk about exposure and free advertising! GLWS.
 
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