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  1. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Mar 8, 2014

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  2. Dablitzer Mar 8, 2014

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    Isn't it meant to be 352? What's the relevance of 352 printed inside the caseback? I think he made a mistake ::book::

    Edit: just seen the movement pics. Could be a swapped movement?
     
  3. ulackfocus Mar 8, 2014

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    I don't like anything on that watch. The case is too polished for my taste, I think the dial was cleaned or redone (something is amiss since it's in MUCH better condition than the hands), and I don't believe a 351 is correct for a chronometer 2577 case.
     
  4. bupdyke Mar 8, 2014

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    The dial is a fabulous refinish. Look at the 10 o’clock position. There is some uneven spacing. Also no T’s on the Swiss Made, as this dial has tritium on the markers. Someone wanted to custom-create a chronometre.
     
  5. Joe K. Curious about this text thingy below his avatar Mar 8, 2014

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    The combination of this case ref and dial would lead me to expect a calibre 352.
     
  6. rick42650 Mar 8, 2014

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    bad dial-incorrect movement...Avoid...!!
     
  7. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Mar 8, 2014

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    This watch is too early for that.
     
  8. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Mar 8, 2014

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    Everything on that watch is correct except the refinished (?) dial.
    It is a 2577 18K gold Seamaster powered by a 351 manufactured somewhere in South America. Case back was faintly engraved 2 ref # 2577 and 2520.

    Long time ago, I bought one like that from Peru with original dial.

    Here are some pics.

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  9. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 8, 2014

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    Wow, if that's a redial it's scary good.:eek:

    There is a possibility is that the dial is original, but came from a different watch that had shorter hands. The hands should not be hanging over the minutes register like that. See Hoi's example for the correct orientation of hand length and dial registers.

    There's also a possibility of an incorrect service dial used on a non-rated movement. Certainly not done by Omega.

    IMO, it's a franken, but just not sure which parts were swapped around.
    gatorcpa
     
  10. MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Mar 8, 2014

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    I think the dial is probably original. Hoi may be correct about the pairing of the case and movement but could also be a marriage of case, dial and movement from 3 different watches. Minute hand too long. One thing we can probably all agree on - the case is too polished.
     
  11. bupdyke Mar 8, 2014

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    X350, When did they start putting the “t” on the dials?
     
  12. ulackfocus Mar 8, 2014

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    1962-ish? Maybe a year or two later?
     
  13. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Mar 8, 2014

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    I'm in the refinished dial camp, and while it is not my sole bit of evidence, I'd love to see a close-up as it appears as though the refinisher may have put an accent after the last "e", which would be a dead giveaway. Perhaps it's just a speck of dirt, though.

    In any case, the lume that is nestled into the bases of the hour markers looks way too neat to my eye.
     
  14. kyle L Grasshopper Staff Member Mar 8, 2014

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    Not sure if it's redialed, the lume looks properly aged around the hour markers and is flaking off the 6 square which I've seen on similar dials. If it's redialed and relumed it's a pretty good job...
     
  15. pitpro Likes the game. Mar 8, 2014

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    Original dial that did not come with the others parts.
     
  16. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Mar 8, 2014

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    My thought is that the dial is original, it simply looks too good with appropriate patination, which would be nearly impossible to get if it were a refinish, its just from another watch.

    Unfortunately here is an example where an uninformed is likely going to overpay by not doing their homework.

    So, do I report it as a franken or let someone get burnt?
     
  17. ulackfocus Mar 8, 2014

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    The problem is a franken is not really a fake, just not a factory original watch.
     
  18. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Mar 8, 2014

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    Still a $1,000 watch even with this dial.

    It would be very easy to buy this one, get another with a decent dial, then sell the Chronometer dial for halfway decent money.

    gatorcpa
     
  19. X350 XJR Vintage Omega Aficionado Mar 8, 2014

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    But it is being sold as a chronometre, which is significant misrepresentation, that's where I have an issue. To quote the seller "Omega 17 jewel chronometer grade caliber 351 bumper automatic movement", in addition to numerous other references of the term chronometre/chronometer in the description.

    We all know how often a inexperienced buyer gets caught up in a sellers BS, don't do proper research and up paying too much.
     
  20. ulackfocus Mar 8, 2014

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    You have a point - it doesn't have a chronometer rotor (marked for adjustments).