Hello
The next Omega I want to buy is a flightmaster. So I first bought the book "Flightmaster Only" and then started looking around for one.
There is one dial that is not described in the book but that I have found around, not often but often enough to attract attention.
This dial (see the first two pictures) has two dots around the 12 mark but no dots at 3, 6, and 9. This dial is not in the book.


Since, I have found several examples of this dial and even an old post of another Omega fun asking the question, I did some more digging and come up with a possible solution.
In the "Flightmaster Only book they describe a "transitional dial" for the 145026 that was obtained by taking the dial of the 145 013 and fitting instead of the "green/black 24h" subdial a "seconds" dial.
This dial had dots around the 12 mark but not at 3,6 and 9.

Below is the picture from the book


CONCLUSIONS
So a possible conclusion is that there was indeed a 145013 dial with dots around the 12 and not dots at 3, 6 and 9 (then used for the transitional) and that they forgot to mention it in the book.

What do you guys think ? Is it possible ?

PS
I have not yet found a suitable flightmaster candidate to buy so if anyone want to get rid of his/her I am listening. Sorry for the final self-interested remark. If it is innapropriate please let me know, I am new here so I am not aware of all customs and rules.

 

So I just picked one up in great shape, unpolished keeping great time and a lovely tropical dial. It’s a 1969 version. I have a question for anyone: what are the references for the bracelet, clasp and end links?

 

They need to make a "thin" modern mechanical flightmaster. I'm sure they could modify the new speedy movement...

 

Hello
Nice wathc !!!
So your model has a dial with dots at 12, 3, 6,9, which place the watch between 1970 and 1971.
A reference that is appropriate for the bracelet is 1159 on the clasp, both with an 11 or a 30 engraving in a circle, and with 155 engraved in the endlinks. These bracelets were used from 1969 to 1972.

If the watch is of 1970 you can also use the reference 1162 on the clasp, with an 11 engraving in a circle, with 172 engraved in the endlinks. However if the watch is 1971 in theory you cannot use this reference.

Be aware of the service bracelets that have a 1162/172 or a 1162/1/172 engraving on the clasp.

Hope this help

 

I have to say that I am partial to the vintage model but it look like a fun idea

 

Very helpful, thanks. With a serial number starting g 29xxxxxx I believe places it in 1969. I will now look for the right 1159 or 1162 bracelets. Appreciate the feedback.

 

Hi my pleasure
It is interesting that you have find a watch of 69 with an all dots dial. Do you know the history of this watch ? if the dial could have been replaced ?
I am asking because I found another 69 watch, actually september 69, with a tropical dial (more brown that yours) that also has a full dot dials. I am hesitating to buy it because of that. In fact in the book they place the full dots dial 1970 and later. This could be anouther mistake of the book.
all the best

 

Hi has any one seen or posses a 69 flight master with a full dot dial, i.e. luminous dot at 3, 6, 9 and 12 ?
thanks for the feedback

 

Hi again
sorry for the mix up above I thought that your watch had two dots around the 12 marks it has not so it is 100% compliant with a 69 fabrication date and I was right to get suspocios of the other watch
all the best

 

Hi every one
After some investigations with Speedy4Ever (author of the Flightmaster only book) it is difficult to say that these dials with no dots at 3, 6, 9 and dots at 12 really existed. It is not that they are impossible but that when you look at them very closely there is always the suspicion and most often the certitude that the dots have fallen down. So if you find one in which you can be sure that the dots have never been there it could be an interesting find. However in most cases watch out for the fallen dots.
Thanks to speedy4ever for the precious help with this issue.

 

Thanks pvp-pvp.

By the way, with the contribution of several Flightmaster lovers, we have updated information about the transition period 145.013 / 145.026.

https://www.watchbooksonly.com/articles/watch-reviews/transitional-flightmasters/

 

Yes fantastic article the transition period were crazy days !!!!

 

and then buy the name back from Seiko so they can put it on the dial....

 

Omega cannot put the name Flightmaster on the dial any more ? Is it true ?

 

It seems that Seiko is owner of the name in Japan and in another asiatic country.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't even think Seiko puts "flightmaster" anywhere on their "flightmaster" watch.

 

Actually I think you are right two example of seiko flight master (with a navytimer nostalgia) no Flightmaster writing insight

 

I have a 1969 145.013 and it appears my dial has fallen dots. Upon close inspection they are ghosted onto the dial. Just part of the patina I am willing to embrace. Another story it has to tell.