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First Omega, Seamaster Cosmic Pre-Buy. Opinions ?

  1. mchanif

    mchanif Feb 11, 2019

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    Hi,

    First timer here. I am about to buy my first vintage omega, a Seamaster Cosmic. Would you guys be so kind to provide me with your opinions ? The watch has the Cal 613 Movement. Any tips before I buy ? Should I insist on getting the seller to open the case for me to inspect on the movement ?

    What is the fair price on your opinion and what should I do once I bought the watch say if I bought it.

    Thanks
     
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  2. rincondeltiempo

    rincondeltiempo Feb 11, 2019

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    Welcome to the forum,

    First, to me it appears to be a redial (but I could be wrong, I don't know enough about this specific reference) because if you take a look at the crosshair terminations on the indices, you could see that the one at 9 doesnt even touch it, meanwhile the others do.
    Cushion cases are less desirable than those with the most common round case, so take that into account.
    Regarding the movement, of course, insist the seller on sending you pictures of it. Do that ALWAYS, as it is where you can get hurt the most (money wise).
    Nevertheless I would like to see what the experts on the forum think!

    Cheers,
    Javi.
     
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  3. Rochete

    Rochete Feb 11, 2019

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    Crown not Omega. Crystal in bad shape. Dial seems to have issues but pics not good enough to properly judge. No movement pic... I would pass on this one, there are many Cosmics around.
     
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  4. Edward53

    Edward53 Feb 12, 2019

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    I think the crown might be Omega as there is something on it, I just can't see what from this angle. The scratched crystal is not that big an issue and might well polish out. It is not always possible to get movement pics of Cosmics as many (most?) of them require a special tool to open the case. However, although I think the dial is original, it looks as if the 9 marker has been incorrectly replaced, hence the short crosshair line. That would kill it for me.
     
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  5. Rochete

    Rochete Feb 12, 2019

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    Also main markers (12, 9, 6) look like they've been clumsily repainted.
     
  6. Chi_spur

    Chi_spur Feb 12, 2019

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    Being a front loader, those without the proper tools or expertise can end up causing damage by attempting access to the movement of these models so you may have to concede that purchasing a Cosmic might mean not seeing images of the movement. That being said, I'd definitely want images of the caseback to check the legibility of the hippocampus logo and reference inscription.
     
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  7. dan7800

    dan7800 Feb 12, 2019

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    I'd pass. My GUESS is that the dial is legit, but it's tough to tell from the photos.

    Newbies looking for black dials are a dime a dozen. 90% are probably redials.

    If you want to make sure that you get a good watch at a good price, you're going to have to do your homework.
     
  8. Passover

    Passover Feb 12, 2019

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    Hi Javi,
    as far as I know this kind of cases are called "C Case" and not "Cushion case" ;)

    EDIT: Or am I wrong? :whistling:

    EDIT: The C in C-Case stands for Cushion? ::shy::::facepalm1::
     
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  9. kingsrider

    kingsrider Thank you Sir! May I have another? Feb 12, 2019

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    The question is, how much?. I think the watch is all original except maybe the crystal. Crystal seems to be causing distortion around the second indices which makes it appear to be a redial. It has the It has the T SWISS T. Missing lume at minute indices. Minute hands is bent. IMO the crown is good.There are two case sizes in this style. You want the case that has 19mm spacing between the lugs. The other case is a few mm smaller but it makes a huge difference between the two.

    My no date version
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