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  1. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Jan 29, 2014

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    It did make me spit up in my mouth a bit, but here's one of the most interesting fakes to come along in a while

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-ZEN...212507730?pt=Wristwatches&hash=item258903a652Purchases made through these links may earn this site a commission from the eBay Partner Network

    A ghastly S.58 chronograph

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    It's in one of those bogus Space Compax cases

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    Somehow, they have managed to jam a cal 156 in this case (which we know can take a Valjoux 72). Dial probably came with the movement.

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    Inside caseback looks like nothing Zenith made

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    the most disturbing aspect is that someone clearly has the font for "S.58" for both dial and engraving

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    there are small differences, but it's close. I used to trust this engraving when I saw it - I will certianly look carefully when I see it again.
     
  2. Gavin It's the quiet ones you have to 'watch' out for. Jan 29, 2014

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    Just the idea of fakers moving on to Zenith is giving me nightmares now.
     
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  3. ulackfocus Jan 29, 2014

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    So it's a real Zenith movement, with a redial that was never Zenith, and the rest is completely fake?
     
  4. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Jan 29, 2014

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    This is a fascinating confection. It's for the guy who can't decide between a Cairelli and an S.58. The answer used to be the A277 or a DeLuca, but not any more. In Omeganese, this thing is like a Cal 321 Speedmaster Seamaster 300.

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  5. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Jan 30, 2014

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    In Omeganese


    GOLD ;)
     
  6. ulackfocus Jan 30, 2014

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    Now I get it. I don't speak Zenican very well so thank your for the translation. :thumbsup:
     
  7. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Jan 30, 2014

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    Hear your Longinese is quiet good;)
     
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  8. danomar Jan 30, 2014

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    The first thing I thought when I saw it was Zenitsmaster Complex. But Lou taught me gooder.

    It is indeed disturbing to see so many correct elements on it.
     
  9. m neuman What, me worry? Jan 30, 2014

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    Yes strange hands, S.58 logo, wrong movement, weird case, but but but this guy should design watches it is not bad looking!
     
  10. ulackfocus Jan 30, 2014

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    Can't argue that.
     
  11. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Jan 30, 2014

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    For an S.58 Compax, not bad.
     
  12. ulackfocus Jan 30, 2014

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    If I spotted that at a yard sale or flea market I'd be very tempted to buy it. Luckily phones got cameras.
     
  13. MMMD unaffiliated curmudgeonly absurdist & polyologist Jan 30, 2014

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    Well, the crown might be a decent replacement for an early EP, and there's that cal 156 for parts, so not a total loss.
     
  14. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 5, 2014

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    Geez, this thing is going to top a grand....it's like watching lemmings head for the sea::facepalm2::
     
  15. LarryG not KennyG, not OG, just LarryG Feb 5, 2014

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    Lots of rubberneckers out there- 148 it appears; or can there really be that many lemmings....?
    Oh the humanity.
     
  16. LarryG not KennyG, not OG, just LarryG Feb 5, 2014

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  17. watchMYwatch Feb 5, 2014

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    i was seriously thinking of bidding! Thx !
    U know i have mostly modern watches and a Avid collector friend once remarked how difficult it was to collect vintage
     
  18. Fritz genuflects before the mighty quartzophobe Feb 5, 2014

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    At my last job I had computer and CMM based measuring systems with the horsepower to digitize an image, part, surface or even a font to create a 3D CAD file. It could then be modified or scaled to any size and downloaded directly to a milling center. It meant I could duplicate any part, surface or engraving exactly, in the metal of your choice, in few hours or less.

    With a resolution of 0.000001", it was for reverse engineering high tech machine parts.... give me a part, I'll give you back the 3D models, machining paths and a full set of engineering drawings in a few hours. The technology could easily produce a CNC program to knock-off a watch back, perfectly, by the hundred, inside an hour..... (or a full set of components for an AK47 for that matter). I doubt the factory itself could tell if we used the correct metal.

    Took some time to get the legal documents to transport the system out of the US..... wonder why.

    Scary part is, with the manufacturer recently being busted for illegally selling the systems across international boarders, (to the middle east! thanks guys!) such technology is far more common than most people realize.....did I mention we had great fun with it during lunch hour! I figure our less than honourable Chinese friends could knock off an Omega Speedmaster case in under a day and be mass producing tomorrow.

    So that S.58 font is easy then.........
     
  19. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 5, 2014

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    When the Swiss companies have choked off the parts supply enough in their arrogant effort to reel in the repair market for extortionate profit, I hope someone with such a machine will spot a business opportunity and let them stew in their own hubris, knowing they created the circumstances for such a thing to arise.
     
  20. LouS Mrs Nataf's Other Son Staff Member Feb 5, 2014

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    ended at USD 1525, and it looks like a legitimate buy...probably thinks it was a steal...and it was, but not in the direction that he thinks.
     
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