Every time i see a Porsche 911 i have this feeling…

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Suspension design on the early 911's made it (more) tricky to drive. Joke was to make sure your 930 was pointed in the right direction when the boost kicked in. Fire breathing dragon. Separated the men from the boys, if you will.
 
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Yes, the newer turbos and GT2s have a smoother addition of turbo power vs the on/off switch of the 930s.

Based on my time talking with the owner I doubt the 930 was driven in anger much over the last 37 years. It was cosmetically very nice, and mechanically the 'factory rustproofing' was doing a great job protecting things underneath.
 
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I am not a fan of that Porsche. Do you really need Carrera written on the side.
 
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I am not a fan of that Porsche. Do you really need Carrera written on the side.

What Porsche are you referring to?
And depending on the particular car, yes, you might.
 
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I am not a fan of that Porsche. Do you really need Carrera written on the side.

Does Rolex need Submariner on the dial? It's just a name.
 
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I am not a fan of that Porsche. Do you really need Carrera written on the side.

Is that your only issue with Porsches, an optional decal? Seems like a shallow assessment of the car and the entire 911 lineage.
 
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Choose your next words carefully @bmpennington 😉

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I agree with much of what you say, @padders. Look up ‘Japan Unit 31’; the atrocities committed there beggar belief. Indeed, they often upped the ante on many Nazi crimes. Japan’s war criminals and those who perpetrated the industrial precision of Nazi mass murder have their unique place in Hell. Even that’s too good for them, in my view.

Nevertheless, the essay @Syrte provided (I read this excellently researched piece when it first came out) discusses the arrogant disregard of these German families to simply reflect publicly on the sympathetic and complicit roles their founders played in arguably history’s bleakest hour. Their bloodied hands planted the seeds that produced the fruits of their descendants’ colossal wealth. And yet: Not. A. F’in. Word. ‘The Porsches have never publicly addressed the activities of their patriarchs during the Third Reich.’ This is the point I believe Syrte was making.

Not all Japanese or German citizens or companies were willing participants, of course. So yes, I own plenty of items manufactured in both countries. I’m a hypocrite, too; my wife and I both drive VWs; I’ve recently owned Audis (and even a beater BMW Bavaria); and my drums are built in Germany by the firm who provided many a Tin Drum to the Wehrmacht.

It’s about recognition.

And for the record? In my world, in addition to the 1973 BMW 3.0csi, the Porsche 911 in all its variants (Targa especially) continues to be the most beautiful car to behold. I simply can’t afford one and they suck for moving musical equipment. (My Audi TT fit my jazz drum kit, however. But the looks I got from folks at gigs….)

hi everyone, just catching up with this thread as I’ve been very busy and not looking for a food fight, but indeed @mydeafcat understood exactly the point being made. Many companies were complicit and profited, but if this researcher is correct— not all of them have gone the extra mile as Porsche /VW/ BMW to whitewash and lie about their past.

Not everyone votes with their feet— but personally they will never see another cent of my money.

On a completely separate note, @ALEJANDRO BOVONE are you trying to sell those watches you’ve been posting? You seem to be multiplying posts in order to get to 200, but please note there’s a prohibition on post faming,
Ie the artificial multiplication of posts in order to access the sales forum.
 
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The Boxster is so much more fun to drive. You can negotiate curves at insane speeds, it lets you know its limits in a very precise and gentle way.
I have a friend who has had both and I remember him saying something similar.
 
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I am sure not a single person now at Porsche had anything - anything - to do with the holocaust. It's also a form of discrimination to make them suffer for other people's crimes. If you go far enough back, all of our ancestors did something wrong to someone once. Or the previous employees of our companies. I mean the entire Western world, Western cities were built on slave labour. Where do you draw the line? Porsche today is just a normal company doing business. Let them get on with it. Just my two cents.
 
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The Boxster is so much more fun to drive. You can negotiate curves at insane speeds, it lets you know its limits in a very precise and gentle way.

I have a friend who has had both and I remember him saying something similar.

The Boxster and the Cayman are often undervalued. The Cayman S has got to be the best bang for the money in the entire Porsche lineup.
 
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Many companies were complicit and profited, but if this researcher is correct— not all of them have gone the extra mile as Porsche /VW/ BMW to whitewash and lie about their past.
A few German companies did the right thing, and were equally quiet about it:

https://petapixel.com/2021/11/17/le...the-leitz-family-saved-jews-in-the-holocaust/

And the owners of some American companies went the other way:

https://www.thehenryford.org/collec.../henry-ford-and-anti-semitism-a-complex-story

It works both ways.
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Everyone I see a 911 I want a Flighmaster 😁
 
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I find them pretty similar to be honest. The rear weight bias of the 911 gives more grip when accelerating and can mean the front goes light at times. They really aren’t all that different though generally 911s have a bit more grunt in a given generation, I find the 3.2S Boxster for instance pretty asthmatic! I’d take a Cayman 4.0l GTS in a heartbeat though.

I struggle to feel much difference from 911 to cayman, the weight bias is like 40/60 on the 991 vs 45/55 on the 981 and the CG height is like 15 inches on the 991 vs 20 inches on the 981. Unless you’re Walter Rohrl on a track they both do the job so well you’d be very hard pressed to nit pick differences.

But the 911 can fit cargo and children in the back so you can lie to your wife and say it’s a family car.

Look how happy they are in the back.

 
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I struggle to feel much difference from 911 to cayman, the weight bias is like 40/60 on the 991 vs 45/55 on the 981 and the CG height is like 15 inches on the 991 vs 20 inches on the 981. Unless you’re Walter Rohrl on a track they both do the job so well you’d be very hard pressed to nit pick differences.

But the 911 can fit cargo and children in the back so you can lie to your wife and say it’s a family car.

Look how happy they are in the back.

HAHAHAHA Love that!!!!

I've driven spiritedly with 2 teenagers in the back, they squealed a lot and seemed to enjoy it but you'd need a saw to get an adult male in the back of a 997, the later cars might be slightly better on that score!
 
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HAHAHAHA Love that!!!!

I've driven spiritedly with 2 teenagers in the back, they squealed a lot and seemed to enjoy it but you'd need a saw to get an adult male in the back of a 997, the later cars might be slightly better on that score!
Its a bit of a mixture, the wheelbase is a LOT longer in the 991/992, so you’ve got an extra 10cm in the rear for knee room which makes it a lot easier leg wise, the width is very generous being only two seats so there’s plenty of room for iPads and cushions and stuff to the sides. The only limiting factor is the vertical height from the seat bottom to the ceiling, which creates a bit of a hard limit for people height wise. My girlfriend is only 5’2 though and the kids are similarly tiny so to them its like a limo back there even on long trips.

So even with giant stuffed toys, iPads, blankets and luggage behind them on the parcel shelf its comfy for hours at a time. Which is a pretty big win as you get to make your sports car your daily driver.

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I've had to cram my 6 foot self in the back of a 997 more times than I would have cared to lol.
Can confirm: definitely not ideal.