Hey guys,

I'm currently evaluating this 35mm steel UG Compur from the late 1930's for a possible purchase. Based on my online research thus far, I'm unable to find many identical examples. I "think" the dial, hands, case, pushers, movement and possibly the crown seem original, but I'd love to get your input on this one. The movement is a cal 285 which also seems in line with what was used during this period.

In case anyone is curious, the seller is asking $2800.

Thanks for your help!

 

I'm not 100% sure, but I'd go for an early redial. The way the main minute/second hashes overspill into the subdials and the strange square font on the 'U' of Universal and Compur look off to me, but there are others who are more expert.

 

Hmm, I did a bit more research and found both of these traits on another watch on the forum which is considered original. I believe this watch belonged to @Dre and is now with @Larry S (hope it is ok for me to post an image of your watch here).

 

If I'm not mistaken the seller is a member here ?

 

I spotted this on another board and was not aware if he or she was also a member here.

 

That’s my watch

 

More info about Overlaping dials :

https://omegaforums.net/threads/overlap-printing-on-ug-dials.69736/

 

To me it is not the overlapping that is most concerning on this dial but rather

1) the non-telephony minute register, usually the concentric circle compurs (with the exception of compax 30 which counts to 30 only) have a telephony subdial minute counter. There are exception for 45 minute compur but the subdials for those with non-telephony minute have sectorial paintings.
2) the 8 and 10 on the big dial.

I would have the same idea as Tim John on this dial.

Edit: the dial in any event is nicely done keeping the above 2 points in mind

 

I was thinking of you.

 

I really appreciate your help about this dial. I had exactly the same thoughts as yours before claiming it original.

1) non telephony minute register are also found with no sectorial painting and with 45 counter. It’s a rare variant but it’s documented



2) What is the problem with big 8 and 6 ?

I have found this watch sold by Menta, witch have exaclty the same arabic numbers


3) The fonts on this watch looks perfeclty original !

 

1) the picture you show has a subdial with sector painting. That is what I meant. Non telephones are found on those. But not the normal sub dial layout (sectorial in my meaning is it has sectors at edge, the little boxes)

2) 8 and 10 partially overlap/spill into the second subdial.

3) that is why I said it is nicely done, older redial quality are in several occasions found in very nicely done format (E.g. fonts are great, matching to the original and crisp)

Perhaps we can ask other folks around as well.

 

Compur =

 

Yep, the compurs are very badly documented, and the variability Can be irksome.

 

By sectors are you guys talking about the railroad tracks around the sub dials? Sometimes it takes a moment to get on the same page with the watch lingo....

 

Yep

 

These early compurs are beyond my skill level...

 

Yep ... Gonna get mine serviced and enjoy it. Not buying any more.

 

This conversation is getting quite specialized on the subdial design but I remember very clearly some of the top Italian UG experts confirming the squared “U” is totally correct.

 

Good discussion, folks. I was informed that the watch ended up selling to someone else in the interim. My search continues...

 

If it is a redial, then how come the register grooves look so crisp ? Also , to me the patina looks like it took decades to acquire ?