anyone happen to know the serial # of Ed Whites 105003?
I hear this site could be useful: http://speedmaster101.com/105-003/
-63 2052 1xxx – 2052 6xxx
-64 2052 7xxx – 2282 7xxx and 2208 9xxx
-65 2282 7xxx – 2544 6xxx
@MikeMan2727 I misread the post like you did. I think he means Ed Whites actual serial number on his personal 105.003.
otherwise he should certainly browse the site you mentioned.
Also take a look here
For your own speedy obviously you need to pop the back off and order an extract to confirm.
The below chart, which has been circulated here before, does not have any Speedmasters listed for Ed White, or Gus Grissom or Roger Chaffee, who all died in the Apollo 1 fire. Don’t know why.
There is a chart out there somewhere with the NASA serial numbers, model information, and I believe Omega serial numbers out there. I cannot for the life of me find it right now.
I found an old version of the chart from 2006, it does not list Ed Whites serial number, but the flown space walk watch is 100% in the hands of NASA and not in the wild at this point. https://www.worldoftime.de/data/cms_data/files/6887018b54652924432c4e168ae869a3.pdf
Is that true though? I thought I had read somewhere that after the fire, NASA gifted White's issued watch to his family. Seems to be reflected in that chart too, but as it's from 2006 that situation may have changed
Whoops your right I read that backwards. The family had it in 2006.
Yes I meant actually Ed Whites watch... so seems like this info not available then. Is there a version of the chart with the full serial? Want to see how close mine is to flown 105003’s... Ed’s not on the more but Young, Borman and Lovell would do for now
Borman - 20525675
Lovell - 20525676
Young - 20525671
Is that right either? I read it was sold at auction in 1999, after presumably being in the possession of his family up to that point.
It appears Chuck didn't know about this until about 2006 either. Sold for $34,500
Damn. Even went thru the Apollo 1 fire!
Wonder where it is now and what it would sell for.
Certainly more than the best ever Ultraman 1.
The bit I find interesting about all these various tables is that they normally show that the first watch worn on the moon was a 145.012. Yet everyone seems to think the 105.012 is the special ref for some reason. Armstrong may well have had an earlier ref but that stayed in the capsule. All will doubtless be revealed next year.
No clue unless NASA bought it?
Agree. Armstrong 105.012-65 and Buzz (maybe) 145.012-67
"For historical accuracy it is absolutely true that the first Speedmaster to land on the moon was the ST105.012. Both Neil Armstrong’s and Buzz Aldrin’s Speedmasters were ST105.012 models. We know this since the Omega Museum is working directly with James H. Ragan, and they have had access to all the original NASA documents. This includes also the documents that proves the reference of Buzz Aldrin’s Speedmaster, that is now for sure a ST105.012."
Full article here
That is persuasive but would be more convincing still if some indication of the serial of Aldrin’s watch were quoted. Perhaps new light will be shed on this next year. Omega surely won’t resist the temptation to market their inevitable 50th Anni LE with more concrete info as presumably that watch will be loosely based on the actual first ‘Moonwatch’ by which I mean the first on the lunar surface. An even bigger splash would be created if they had in fact located the original on the quiet and produced it!
Sooo getting back to the original topic, bearing in mind that no serial for Ed White’s watch has been suggested in this thread that I can see, are we even certain which model of ‘Ed White’ 105.003 Lt Col White wore? Does logic suggest that it must be a 105.003-63 or 64 if it was in his possession for some time prior to his June ‘65 EVA? If a ‘64, wouldn’t the shape of the lugs help to pin it down? Based on the serials for the later Gemini watches, is the 105.003-63 the likeliest candidate?
It does seem that there is ambiguity over serials and exact model of both the 2 most famous and significant Speedmasters used in the Space program!
Didn’t know about this news updated, even more when on the nasa register database that been available on the website, information was concering 145.012 Ref and serial.
Glad to know all information is now been updated.
I would agree that more evidence such as the SN would be the most compelling argument but if Jim's name and work is cited as to how Aldrin's reference number was determined rest assured he has the information to back it up. He has spent the last couple of years working on correcting much of the incorrect information we have seen over the years and hopefully sooner than later some of that additional research and corrected information will be shared by him and Omega.
Take this for what it is worth because it is just my educated guess. If you were to crack open White's Speedmaster I believe the case back would be stamped -64 because his was part of the initial batch of 105.003's. What I found most interesting about the Lovell, Borman and Young's serial numbers is that they are sequential with the exception of Young's most likely because other Gemini 105.003 serial numbers which we can't positively identify yet fill in the gap between them. I assume Omega produced all the initial Gemini watches in a batch for delivery hence the reason the serial numbers are sequential. Also, the Gemini Speedmasters worn by Lovell (7) , Schirra, Conrad, and Lovell (12) all have -64 stamped case backs. By my logic there is no reason to believe that White's would fall out of the range of the ones we can positively identify.
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