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Dugena Cal. 12 vs. Wakmann Lemania 1873

  1. Dr.Sascha Jan 22, 2021

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    Trying to decide between two possible purchases. Both are NOS, all original, and rather uncommon pieces.

    The first, a Wakmann w/the Lemania 1873 inside. It's kind of a "poor man's Ultraman":
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    The second is a Dugena Cal. 12. It's a Wakmann Big Boy (of which I am a big fan, and which I have one, a bit beat up, in Val. 7730) with Dugena slapped on the front, but with nicer furniture and, to my knowledge, the rarest movement that watch comes in. This one, I should add, is the more expensive by about 30%.
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    Thoughts?
     
  2. w154 Jan 22, 2021

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    I like the Dugena, especially if you don’t already have a cal. 11, 12, or 15 in the collection. I’d question whether it’s really NOS though as there appear to be lever marks on the subdials.
     
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  3. Dr.Sascha Jan 22, 2021

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    That's a good point. It's damn close, though, not a scratch or scuff on it, though unpolished. The lugs and bezel are razor-sharp. I also like the cross-hatched crown.

    I also have to ask myself, is a Dugena, any Dugena, worth £2k+?
     
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  4. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Jan 22, 2021

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    Wakmann for me. Not a fan of chrono’s with dive bezels.
     
  5. Wlcutter Jan 22, 2021

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    I feel like I'm always in the slight minority on this, and maybe it's entirely personal or anecdotal, but: I know not one watchmaker who respects/enjoys the cal 11/12/15 movement. Not one. Every watchmaker I'm close to (my dad, several real close friends) just *loathe* that movement--they're finicky, they're not well-designed (modular vs integrated), and they're a huge pain to service. NOS is great, and they both look lovely, and if the Dugena had a V7734 I'd be all for it; as is, I'd pick the Wakmann.
     
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  6. Dr.Sascha Jan 22, 2021

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    That pretty much settles it--if I go with either, it'll be the Wakmann.

    Oh, and I think you'd like the other new acquisition. I actually don't know what the movement is, but given the similarity with other models, I'd say the odds are 90% it's a val. 7733. Needs a new crystal, and a few small dings on the bezel, and desperately needs a new service (got it from the original owner, but in good nick overall (and got a great price on it). :thumbsup:

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  7. Wlcutter Jan 22, 2021

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    Oh congrats--those Wakmann Big Boys are *killer* watches, and they wear perfectly. Enjoy, and wear in good health.
     
  8. Dr.Sascha Jan 22, 2021

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    A bold statement! And taste is not disputable. I have a fair range of both, and along with my Speedie, my absolute favourite is my Lemania HS9. I have several more formal chronos (e.g. a Wakmann 1381 that is a near-duplicate of an Omega 321). I just don't find myself wearing them as much, and reaching, time and again, for the sportier/more casual pieces. My first watch ever was a Heuer Professional 2000, which my father gave me for my 15th birthday. I think bezelled chronos have always had a special appeal ever since. Funny what shapes our taste, no?
     
  9. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Jan 22, 2021

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    I’m a dressy Chrono guy. ;)

    The bezel takes too much of the Chrononess away (yes it’s a word i invented it)
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  10. Dr.Sascha Jan 22, 2021

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  11. High Hope Jan 22, 2021

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    Me too. This is my only dress watch, tho' my wife tells me its more sporty than dressy. I just now ordered a stingray strap for it, I'm hoping the combination works.
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  12. High Hope Jan 22, 2021

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    Back on topic, the Dugena has a unique look to it which appeals to me, but the comments about servicing the movement might put me off too. The Wakmann is really attractive too, in a more conventional sense.
     
  13. Dan S Jan 22, 2021

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    I guess you are asking for subjective opinions, so here goes. I'm not a fan of the Wakmann case shape with those anemic lugs. Just don't find it appealing at all.
     
  14. Dr.Sascha Jan 22, 2021

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    TBH, that's what held me back, too. It's not balanced--you have this large, bold dial and then those stubby lugs.

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    That having been said, I'm sure this is meant to go on an integrated metal bracelet that would effectively make the dial rest in a continuous steel torus
     
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  15. bama2141 Mar 2, 2022

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    This Wakmann is quite similar, but the case is a bit better balanced. I believe it shares the case of the Omega Soccer Timer 145.020.

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