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  1. JohnSteed

    JohnSteed Sep 24, 2013

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    The so called dot over 90 Tachymeter bezel is/was found on straight lugs Speedies like Ref. CK 2998, 105.002 & 105.003. True or False?

    Note that I'm trying to (1) understand the Speedmaster models and (2) figure out how not to get scammed when I make my first purchase of one 145-022-67/68. Any help clarifying this would be greatly appreciated!

    For the Cal. 321 Speedie [including Cal. 861 Ref. 145.022 transition timepieces that's identical[??] to Cal. 321, except Cal. 861 movement] the correct Tachymeter bezel would show a dot located at 70. ???

    Please, just need a wee bit o help to the try thoughts straight because this still seems confusing to me.

    Thanks very much, in advance.
     
  2. ulackfocus

    ulackfocus Sep 24, 2013

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    I think ALL the caliber 321 Speedmasters had a dot over 90 bezel.
     
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  3. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Sep 24, 2013

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    yes, and early 861's had them too. I cannot be sure when the change happened, and I think when the change happened, the two types of bezel were fitted concurrently.

    i am not sure i have ever seen a 145.022-67, but a -68 will be a transitional, in that it should have the dial from the earlier reference, and the DON bezel.
     
  4. JohnSteed

    JohnSteed Sep 24, 2013

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    Thanks !!

    therefore, even the transitional 145.022-68 will show DON. Awesome
     
  5. toddmp

    toddmp Sep 24, 2013

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    got a 145.022-69 on my wrist with a dot over 90.
     
  6. cvalue13

    cvalue13 Sep 24, 2013

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    Accordingly, the first rule of Speedmaster Club is: "All cal. 321 Speedmasters had DON, but only a few cal. 861's had DON, and no other cal. Speedmaster had DON."


    With a little further information we could further hone this rule with the addition of "there was not a DON on any cal. 861's [beginning with case ref. #(?)][produced after (?)]."
     
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  7. JohnSteed

    JohnSteed Sep 24, 2013

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    Interesting - Thanks.

    So really,
    transitional 145.022-68 Cal 861 ma or may not have DON ...
     
  8. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Sep 24, 2013

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    Change takes place on 145.022-69 around 30.58-30.59 mios
     
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  9. JohnSteed

    JohnSteed Sep 24, 2013

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    ALL that being said so far, it seems ok to take the plunge on a 145.022-68 Cal 861 withOUT the DON ???
     
  10. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Sep 24, 2013

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    2915, 2998-1 and -2: Base 1000 DON bezels
    2998-3 up to 145.012-67 DON bezels
    Transition 861s:
    Seahorse back: DON
    Printed First Watch on the Moon : First model that didn't have DON
     
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  11. Gavin

    Gavin It's the quiet ones you have to 'watch' out for. Sep 24, 2013

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    Wow. Easier than I thought.:thumbsup:
     
  12. Privateday7

    Privateday7 quotes Miss Universe Sep 25, 2013

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    That's when an expert explain things. Simple explanation for what most people think complicated.
     
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  13. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Sep 25, 2013

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    It's not so simple regarding 145.022-69 with premoon caseback. As I wrote earlier, DON until 30.59 mios, with a short overlapping period, no-accent tachymeter starting at 30.58...
     
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  14. dsio

    dsio Ash @ ΩF Staff Member Sep 25, 2013

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    The bracelets would be a much more interesting and difficult thing to quantify, I had no idea there were quite so many different ones uses prior to the 1171
     
  15. JohnSteed

    JohnSteed Sep 25, 2013

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    I'm learning from you all. Thanks!

    I'm told this is a 145.022-68. I don't think it is. BUT, Looking forward to your reviews/thoughts -->
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  16. Dash1

    Dash1 Formerly: Ash Sep 25, 2013

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    The only way to be sure is to get a photo of the case ref number inside. If it is a -68 the bezel is wrong, but they were often replaced, I wouldn't call it a deal breaker as the DON's do come up for sale (at a price.)
     
  17. Spacefruit

    Spacefruit Prolific Speedmaster Hoarder Sep 25, 2013

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    i would value this watch $400 less because of the incorrect bezel.
    as others say, open it up.
     
  18. MSNWatch

    MSNWatch Vintage Omega Aficionado Staff Member Sep 25, 2013

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    Replaced bezel and looks like replaced hour and minute hands as well.
     
  19. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Sep 25, 2013

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    I would more rely on caliber and its s/n. A caseback can be changed....

    From the dial, it can be a 105.012-66, 145.012 or 145.022-68. The transition of the chrono second hand took place during 145.012 production, but it is not totally irrealistic to have such a hand with 145.022-68.
     
  20. speedy4ever

    speedy4ever Moonwatch Only Author Sep 25, 2013

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    oops sorry, not likely to be a 105.012-66, due to pushers.
     
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