Does having the means make collecting less enjoyable?

bradurani · Dec 5, 2021

Hi all, I started this journey 3 years ago trawling eBay for deals on vintage Casios. I learned to repair vintage digitals, and stated buying lots of them and flipping the ones I could rescue. I moved up to vintage Seiko, canvassing pawn shops, flea markets and antique malls. I spent hours sifting through sites, matching disparate parts and reuniting long ago separated bracelets with the cases they belong to. Every purchase took time and care and research, but since I had a lot of time, I made a lot of purchases. I built a collection of 70+ hustled-for pieces, and even added some well-deserved 90s Swiss chronographs I picked up well below market price.
Then fortune smiled on me, and years of hard work at my job brought me some life changing liquidity. Now if I want something (within reason, I mean, I'm not Producer Michael), I can just buy it. I've done just that a few times, but it's not as rewarding as hustling. I still love watches, but it's too easy when it no longer demands a sacrifice of time and diligent budgeting. Has this happened to anyone else?

I know, I know, poor me, #firstworldproblems, what a ridiculous thing to complain about! I deserve the scornful scoffs you're all making right now. It's just weird when your hobby loses its appeal so quickly and unexpectedly. I guess I need to buy some golf clubs or something.

oddboy · Dec 5, 2021

is there anything keeping you from the hustle? the hunt? just 'cause you *can* go out and buy doesn't mean you have to.

bradurani · Dec 5, 2021

oddboy
is there anything keeping you from the hustle? the hunt? just 'cause you *can* go out and buy doesn't mean you have to.

Yes, hustling for Seikos loses it's appeal when you don't need to do it as a means to your next keeper. The motivation is lost, and my own time has become more valuable.
One interesting thing, the problem with collecting more expensive brands is there just aren't any out undiscovered in the wild. You're not going to find a Rolex at a flea market. Because I started with the least expensive brands, hustling was more fruitful and enjoyable. If I'd started with pricier brands, like Omega, I would not have been able to spend as much time and derive as much joy from this hobby as I did.

repoman · Dec 5, 2021

if you want to stay challenged with horology, collect specific vintage watches that are rare to find in good condition... that is much more about the hunt than having money, especially if you choose a brand/model to collect that is in a specific price band within your means that makes it way more about the grind to find good examples. I'm talking about kissing a whole lot of frogs before you find a prince. I've met a lot of well heeled collectors that have done just this, as it gets boring really fast just buying that latest modern piece that tickles your fancy. If this isn't working for you, its time to take a break from the hobby and do something else for awhile. I get bored easily, and cycle through my hobbies when one of them is starting to bore me, but I usually come back to it at some point.

JwRosenthal · Dec 5, 2021

^^^ what he said.
I found myself priced out of the market a while back, I got lucky buying some of my best pieces when the market was still sane, but I thought I was out of the hobby just due to my modest salaried income.
When I started focusing on “common” brands and really becoming discriminating, I realized how hard it is to find exceptional examples of everyday watches. Try finding a mint Zodiac Seawolf. Or perhaps an early Bulova 666 with pristine black dial and perfect, bright puffy lume.
How about collecting every variant of the Wyler 660 HD’s, and being condition discriminating (I have been at them for a little while and still find new variants that keep me on my toes). It’s not so much about the goal that keeps it fresh, it’s the path.
Thinking your time is too “valuable” diminishes the value of the pleasure you gained from working on watches. The pleasure was gleaned by the research, the hunting and the resurrection of something lovely by your own handiwork.
i worked on vintage stereo equipment for years and sold refurbished pieces at the local record shops (I was friends with the owners). I didn’t need to make a living from this, I did it for fun and a little extra scratch. I lost money on most of the stuff I sold if you consider the cost of my labor and shop supplies. But my bench time was my zen time, and the product was repairing something broken or worn and giving it new life. I think that kind of joy and zen is worth your time- and much cheaper than therapy.

As for getting you inspired again, you can always gift those 90’s Chronograph’s to me and start all over again 😗…..seriously, I love me some Wyler/Zodiac/Hamilton/Zenith 90’s chrono goodness.

STANDY · Dec 6, 2021

I got the exact feeling buying knives, coming from watches it was a lot easier to just buy a expensive knife as $$ permitted it.

Needed a hunt type thrill. Soooo

I am now starting at making my own knives. More learning how, and slowly building up to it. Handles first…..

I put this handle on a Spyderco blank

And have done a few more…..

More fun than buying

Micarta even after wood

playing with handle materials.

Stuff trying to make a watch though 😗 😁

Shabbaz · Dec 6, 2021

I think that for a lot of people to much money did'nt bring them a lot of good. I remember when I could pay for my first hotel room. I was jumping on the bed from joy. Now I'm complaining the pool is'nt up to par.

Scarecrow Boat · Dec 6, 2021

STANDY
I am now starting at making my own knives. More learning how, and slowly building up to it. Handles first…..

Btw, watching what you’ve made on Instagram, I’ve been keen to get something from you.

S.H. · Dec 6, 2021

I remarked myself that I don't get 10x more pleasure when I get a 10x more expensive watch... far from it.

It is a very human thing I think, we may be hardwired to desire the next best thing, we do need some restraint and some kind of mental discipline. Maybe let things cool off for a while?

STANDY · Dec 6, 2021

Scarecrow Boat
Btw, watching what you’ve made on Instagram, I’ve been keen to get something from you.

Let me know 😉
(Just got some glow in the dark liner material)

Just finishing up a knife for a Canadian buyer from Instagram.

This is really bad lighting but getting smoother.

ahsposo · Dec 6, 2021

Time to start collecting boats. That'll take care of a lot of that disposable and plus they're a pain in the ass to deal with, requiring nearly constant maintenance. Perfect!

aggie · Dec 6, 2021

In a way, having a lot of money certainly spoil many things... in a certain extend. But is it preferable to be short in money... all life long ? Keep your interest for extremely rare items, almost impossible to find. And the thrill of the quest will be intact...

crd · Dec 6, 2021

ahsposo
Time to start collecting boats. That'll take care of a lot of that disposable and plus they're a pain in the ass to deal with, requiring nearly constant maintenance. Perfect!

I think my favorite description of a boat is “a hole in the water that you pour money into.”

STANDY · Dec 6, 2021

ahsposo
Time to start collecting boats. That'll take care of a lot of that disposable and plus they're a pain in the ass to deal with, requiring nearly constant maintenance. Perfect!

You do know boat stands for ……Bring Out Another Thousand

Fishing boat nowadays but used to have Ski boats, and took a mate out for the day and after putting $240 worth of fuel in the boat and the car the mate slipped me $20 for fuel when I got back in the car. 🤦
(20 years on I still give him stick for this regularly)

Dan S · Dec 6, 2021

I think you can still find ways to enjoy collecting. Turn your attention away from "value" to the things that give you joy personally, and you may find that you enjoy history, condition, variety, etc. more than prestige.

WestCoastTime · Dec 6, 2021

There's satisfaction to be had in starting small, evolving your own tastes, & curating a collection that's then your own individual expression.

And I'm now happy with my collection of reasonably priced watches. But, it would feel like "spoiling the batch" if I were to now go & drop in a 5-figures jewelry piece... Would I just wear that one $fancy$ watch & ignore the rest of the collection that I've created a history & a story with? Do I wear the old Seamaster Cosmic (that I love!) & leave the one $fancy$ watch at home on the bedstand?

I collect & wear the (modestly priced) watches that I like & that interest me, & none of that leads me to want to flex out with some heavy hitter that's out of place in the collection I really like.

fibonacci · Dec 6, 2021

repoman
if you want to stay challenged with horology, collect specific vintage watches that are rare to find in good condition... that is much more about the hunt than having money, especially if you choose a brand/model to collect that is in a specific price band within your means that makes it way more about the grind to find good examples.

Next level challenge: hunt specific ideas of vintage watches that you've never actually seen but surmise might exist.

dstfno · Dec 6, 2021

That's why people switch to Rolex. Even when you have the means you cannot buy them and have to jump through all sort of hoops to get them 😝

Once you've finally sold your soul to the devil, you can become the proud and satisfied owner of a Submariner, hoping that no one will find out what degrading things you had to do to get it.

JwRosenthal · Dec 6, 2021

dstfno
That's why people switch to Rolex. Even when you have the means you cannot buy them and have to jump through all sort of hoops to get them 😝

Once you've finally sold your soul to the devil, you can become the proud and satisfied owner of a Submariner, hoping that no one will find out what degrading things you had to do to get it.

But don’t wear that submariner in public for fear of getting attacked by scoundrels jumping out of the bushes and lopping off your arm.

Larry S · Dec 6, 2021

JwRosenthal
But don’t wear that submariner in public for fear of getting attacked by scoundrels jumping out of the bushes and lopping off your arm.

😡