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  1. jimik42 Mar 16, 2016

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    Came across this on in my wanderings but it doesn't make any sense to me.

    An 861 movement with long indices implies Transitional.
    However this has a painted logo rather than AML.

    Any ideas?
     
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  2. Eric_navi Mar 16, 2016

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    This photo is from a notorious seller who peddles fakes and Frankens. The bezel is not an original DO90, dial has been refinished or maybe it's not even real at all... Would avoid this seller like the plague.
     
  3. oddboy Zero to Grail+2998 In Six Months Mar 16, 2016

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    Yup, Eric said it all.
     
  4. jimik42 Mar 16, 2016

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    Had no doubt this was a Franken.

    The bezel was the only think that really interested me on this one but I wasn't sure about seeing a DO90 and the dot under the 70 on the same bezel.

    I just couldn't quite pick where all of hte parts came from and why anyone would put a painted logo on something when an AML could fetch them so much more.

    With a movement number in the 27xxxxxx range some fore-thought (or elbow-grease) would have had this going for a hell of a lot more than where it is currently.

    Thanks for the feedback.
     
  5. TNTwatch Mar 16, 2016

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  6. bazamu wincer, not a bidder Mar 17, 2016

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    Larger point though - 145.022-68's have applied logos and 145.022-69's have painted logos. Some of the -69's still had DON bezels, however, and majority (if not all) had pre-moon casebacks. They're often labeled "transitionals," but I think purists would tend to only consider the -68 as a full transitional model, whereas the -69 falls into a middle ground.
     
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  7. TNTwatch Mar 17, 2016

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    If transitional is defined as having the last of something old along with the first of something new, I would say the -69 is more transitional than the -68. The -68 has the last gen dial with just the movement that is new. The -69 has 3 bezels, one last gen and two new, and 3 case-backs, one last gen two new. The changes are minor (in functionality only, less in value) compared to the movement, but distinct changes nonetheless.

    On the same vein, the -71 also has the last gen dial and two new case-backs.

    PS: Forgot to count the new dial for the -69.
     
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  8. sky21 Mar 17, 2016

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    Fascinating how many different variations there were for the same reference number! No wonder it takes 500 pages to write the definitive manual to catalogue them all!