Discussion on Broad Arrow Polerouters

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Modest_Proposal

·Mar 10, 2015

I think these watches deserve their own thread.

I've been researching these models. Does anybody have convincing evidence that confirms or refutes the idea that broad arrow hands ever came with their microrotor movements?

I have collected images of presumed lumed microrotor movements (the last might have replaced hands). What is your opinion?

If you have pictures of broad arrow Polerouters that you'd like to share, please do so. I'd like there to be a reference thread for future use.

 

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CarSnob

·Mar 10, 2015

Ugh. I wanted that one that just went off on eBay so bad. I had no idea they were worth so much.

 

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CarSnob

·Mar 10, 2015

I just realized I have pictures of that second watch, including the movement and back. It's gold capped and has a Cal. 215 inside.

 

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guillaumeabxl

·Mar 10, 2015

this one has a polerouter jet case :

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Mar 10, 2015

Right - I see that, but the lume on that dial seems appropriate in color and application and I'm focusing on the dials (and hands of the first two). Perhaps it was a replacement.

 

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X350 XJR

·Mar 10, 2015·Vintage Omega Aficionado

Here's my cal 138SS.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Mar 10, 2015

No opinions on the original question?

 

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MMMD

·Mar 10, 2015

Modest_Proposal

No opinions on the original question?

My opinion is that it will be easier to confirm than refute.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Mar 10, 2015

MMMD

My opinion is that it will be easier to confirm than refute.

Yeah. I think the only way to refute would be to either cite the years in which broad arrow were used or challenge that the lume on microrotor examples are aftermarket somehow.

 

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CarSnob

·Mar 10, 2015

I've seen very few examples of these broad arrow hands, but they seem to be consistent and well done. Additionally, they all have had microrotor movements. What makes you think that these are not original? Another interesting point is the question of when these hands were used. Were there any other models that made use of these hands, or are these only found on Polerouters? Has anyone seen one of these with a bumper automatic?

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Mar 11, 2015

According to some (and I would be among them), Polerouters are the only known UG's with broad arrow hands and they were only done early on (or so it has been said). The microrotor polerouter replaced the bumper movement and some believe broad arrow hands were no longer used when that switch happened. There several good examples of broad arrow hands on bumper movements. The true quest is to find convincing evidence that broad arrow hands were truly used on microrotor versions or whether these are fabrications.

To Carsnop:

X350 XJR's polerouter posted above is a bumper version.

 

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CarSnob

·Mar 11, 2015

Ah, okay. Now I understand the issue. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

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Tony C.

·Mar 11, 2015·Ωf Jury member

Two points:

Contrary to CarSnob's assertion, I believe that most Broad Arrow examples were early, and had bumper movements. With regards to the two shown above, I suspect that the first is a Franken, as the dial was obviously re-lumed as well. However, I'm inclined to believe that the second may be original.

There was overlap between bumper and micro rotor use (if not production) in the late '50s, and that those type of dials were used on both models. So it does not seem to me to be a stretch to imagine that at least some Broad Arrows were fitted on those with MR movements. In my view it would have been very odd for UG to think that somehow a certain hand-set should be restricted to an older, unrelated technology that was being phased out.

 

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woodwkr2

·Mar 11, 2015

Tony C.

Two points:

I suspect that the first is a Franken, as the dial was obviously re-lumed as well.

Come again? You believe that the OPs example was a Franken and relumed?

This one:

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Mar 11, 2015

woodwkr2

Come again? You believe that the OPs example was a Franken and relumed?

This one:

It's not obviously apparent that this is a relumed or fake lumed to me. Is it the shade? Is it not dark enough? Please elaborate.

 

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woodwkr2

·Mar 12, 2015

I believe the OPs polerouter with broad arrow hands and micro rotor movement to be authentic (and likely the lume is original too).

I don't understand what @TonyC is referring to.

 

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Tony C.

·Mar 12, 2015·Ωf Jury member

woodwkr2

I believe the OPs polerouter with broad arrow hands and micro rotor movement to be authentic (and likely the lume is original too).

I don't understand what @TonyC is referring to.

I was referring to this one from a different (though related) thread, also posted by Modest Proposal (link below). Sorry for the confusion.

http://omegaforums.net/threads/universal-geneve-watches-on-ebay.3584/page-43#post-243317

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Mar 16, 2015

Are these lumed with radium or some other material? I am ignorant of such visual distinctions.

 

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bubawatch

·Mar 21, 2015

Good Morning.
They are interesting these poleroter with broad arrow.
The material is trizio is on the bezel that on the spheres.
It works in reverse, the indexes do not light.
It 'a watch very attractive.
I have an exemplary movement with bumper and guarantee dated February 17, 1961.
The reference and '21217/8
Ciao
A.

Sorry for the automatic translation!!

 

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papaebetu

·Mar 23, 2015

Have seen this Polerouter live in Parma Fair two weeks ago,
woow very nice with a fantastic and rare bracelet !
Pity, is small for my big wrist 🙁

GIGI