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Curious to get thoughts on this dial.....

  1. dmgreen11 Jan 9, 2017

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    The 15.26 movement number seems to date this one to around 1937.

    Dial is obviously quite nice - trying to gauge whether (i) it is correct for a movement number in the 5,600,000 range, and (ii) it looks original.

    Thoughts? Thanks!

    Darren IMG_7110.JPG
     
  2. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Jan 9, 2017

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    The dial font and dial style are typical 1920s... the case is definitely a 1930 case.
    Longines may have used a dial from an old stock, so who's to swear it can't happen -- but short of direct evidence, the combination would make me suspicious...
    Is this an enamel dial? I remember discussions about refinished or fake enamel dials having been used to refurbish 13ZN chronographs from the 1930s-- and the same thing may easily have happened here.
    Again my gut tells me it's not right.
    Best regards,
    S
     
  3. JimInOz Melbourne Australia Jan 9, 2017

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    Get a Geiger counter and check the lume. I doubt it's radium (which it should be) and if it was the lume in the hands would have degraded more.

    I suspect it's an original enamel dial that's been cleaned and re-lumed. A very good job doing the colour and texture.

    Does the condition of the movement match the dial?
     
  4. STANDY schizophrenic pizza orderer and watch collector Jan 9, 2017

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    Size=?

    Looking like a pocket watch size. Watches were alot smaller back then.

    As above movement and case back needed for better help.
     
  5. watchknut New watch + Instagram + wife = dumbass Jan 9, 2017

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    +1 on checking for radium...looks so puffy and perfect for an 80+ year old watch.

    Pretty looking watch nonetheless!
     
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  6. dmgreen11 Jan 9, 2017

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    Thanks all. The watch is 38mm, which is correct for a 15.26 in this style of case. The movement number matches the number inside of the case back, so I believe the case and movement are all correct. However, the movement number would place the watch in the mid 1930s (maybe around 1937), which seems a bit late for this style of dial. My guess is that the dial is a correct Longines dial, but I am grappling with the same thing as you all - the dial may be from an earlier timepiece rather than this one. And the radium does indeed look quite perfect.

    Having said all of this, I have found a few other examples of enamel / porcelain dials inside of these large "coin edge" cases. There is a somewhat similar timepiece in Goldberger's book (I can't seem to get a copy, so am left watching the YouTube video he posted with a few scans from the book), however that one has a non-cursive Longines signature on the dial.

    Interested in hearing more thoughts on this one.

    Darren
     
  7. dmgreen11 Jan 9, 2017

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    Here are a few similar examples with enamel dials dated from the mid 1930s. My sense is that the dial is in fact correct for the watch above, but the radium question remains - seems to perfect for 80 year-old radium......

    Similar 1.jpg Similar 2.jpg Similar 3.jpg
     
  8. Kmart Jan 9, 2017

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    Reminds me a lot of the RGM 801-COE, in fact the dials and hands look almost identical. Beautiful watch, whether it's refinished or not.
     
  9. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Jan 10, 2017

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    That's interesting, you're reminding me I've seen the one from L'Orologiese before, had forgotten....
    Those do make it more plausible. I'll have a look in Goldberger when I have a chance.
    I wonder whether the large size of the watch could have played a part in them using older dial stocks.
     
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