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amikoyan
·I wanna know who saw a civert having a shit and thought: "I know that shit looks like it'd be a tasty brew" and how many different kind of animal turds did they go through to end up settling on the civert?
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pdxleaf
··So on and so on and scoobie doobie dooIn what way? Both are fruit plants, grapes from vines and coffee beans are the seeds of a type of cherry. Surely they can both adapt?
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.Bright a bag if Coati coffee back from last fall’s Peru trip … it was amazing in a latte at the shop but unremarkable in the home drip. Yes we addicted are gonna pay more. I bought four bottles of Red Boat Fish Sauce the other day although I assume Vietnam is eager to make a deal.
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Porteroso
·Hopefully for our sake you're right. I can't imagine life without coffee. It could be alarmist, but people have said that coffee production is threatened and it sounded convincing to me. Maybe I'm mistaken, but a search on the impact of climate change on coffee production will lead to more info.
Looks like green coffee will largely see a 10% hit. I am sure many coffee places will have raised prices by at least 25% in 6 months.
I buy green and roast, so I'll charge myself the same rate of "free," and nothing will change much.
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Dsloan
·The climate is shifting, so some current farms will one day be unsuitable locations for coffee, but others will be.
Looks like green coffee will largely see a 10% hit. I am sure many coffee places will have raised prices by at least 25% in 6 months.
I buy green and roast, so I'll charge myself the same rate of "free," and nothing will change much.
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ErichPryde
·The climate is shifting, so some current farms will one day be unsuitable locations for coffee, but others will be.
Probably true, but kind of a 1,000 year view. I think in the short term it's likely that, because coffee plants prefer higher elevations, specific climate and rainfall, we'll see a decrease in the area coffee can currently be grown. Moving farms isn't necessarily something that can easily be done, even on a decade time frame.
Honestly what's most likely (if the situation gets wildly out of control) is that some scientist is able to re-create most of the flavors found in coffee to a degree we aren't capable of yet. I think in 100 years coffee will very likely be like any other real vs. replica product: the real farm-raised stuff that varies season-to-season will be expensive and sought after.
But maybe that's just my Philip K. Dick and company influenced, cyperpunk/post-craptalistic influence talking.
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Porteroso
·Probably true, but kind of a 1,000 year view. I think in the short term it's likely that, because coffee plants prefer higher elevations, specific climate and rainfall, we'll see a decrease in the area coffee can currently be grown. Moving farms isn't necessarily something that can easily be done, even on a decade time frame.
Honestly what's most likely (if the situation gets wildly out of control) is that some scientist is able to re-create most of the flavors found in coffee to a degree we aren't capable of yet. I think in 100 years coffee will very likely be like any other real vs. replica product: the real farm-raised stuff that varies season-to-season will be expensive and sought after.
But maybe that's just my Philip K. Dick and company influenced, cyperpunk/post-craptalistic influence talking.
Obviously your point that on a large scale, it takes time, is correct, but the means to do it already exists. I think there will be no real coffee shortages in our lifetime. During covid, there were "shortages," but nobody actually drank less coffee, it was just strained logistics.
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ErichPryde
·Most of coffee farming startup is subsidized in some way, either massive companies/buyers, collectives, or governments cover the cost of starting up a new coffee farm, training the farmers, etc. So I think that actually it is far easier to move farms, if the land is available, than it is for vineyards.
Obviously your point that on a large scale, it takes time, is correct, but the means to do it already exists. I think there will be no real coffee shortages in our lifetime. During covid, there were "shortages," but nobody actually drank less coffee, it was just strained logistics.
Could be. I would point out though, that if we continue to see more and more weather disturbance, which does seem to be increasing, that could impact coffee trees more greatly than the outright changes in growing region.
Ultimately I do agree that we are throwing a whole bunch of guesses at a sticky wall here so I'll keep on sipping coffee while we discuss.
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arturo7
·Bright a bag if Coati coffee back from last fall’s Peru trip … it was amazing in a latte at the shop but unremarkable in the home drip.
This could be explained by the age of the roasted beans. At the shop, the beans were likely roasted a day of two before brewing. If you bought a bag and brought it home you have to figure in how long the beans sat on the shelf plus the time it took to get them home. This assumes you're grinding just before you brew. If you had it ground when you bought it, fuhgeddaboudit.
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Larry S
··Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.This could be explained by the age of the roasted beans. At the shop, the beans were likely roasted a day of two before brewing. If you bought a bag and brought it home you have to figure in how long the beans sat on the shelf plus the time it took to get them home. This assumes you're grinding just before you brew. If you had it ground when you bought it, fuhgeddaboudit.
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Pastorbottle
·Ground em before brewing but you are right. Bag was vac sealed but beans were not as fresh.
That's not necessarily a bad thing but if the villagers could sell their produce for a fair price without over exploitation they could improve their lot.
