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Eclipse39
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I've been lurking around here in OF for quite while.
And you guys surely have helped me a lot on what to buy, and what's to avoid.

Here is my Constellation Pie Pan that I managed to get a few weeks ago.
While it's not the "dog leg" case, and hexagon crown variant ... the condition,
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the original glass, and leather strap (along with original buckle) made me pull the trigger.

Paid $1350 for this beauty, and I'm quite happy with the purchase.
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I just want to have more information regarding this watch in particular, and constellation pie pan in general. Hopefully the information will be usefull for others as well.

1. If I'm not mistaken, the most desirable are the pie pan with dog leg case, arrowhead dial, and hexagon crown. But how about the one that doesn't have those?

2. The seller told me that having arabic numeral (3,6,9) is somewhat rarer, and thus more desirable than regular stick dial ... is that true?

3. The seller told me that mine only has "Automatic chronometer" without "officially certified" written in the dial because it's from 1952. The officially certified was added for newer watch.
Is that true? And which one is preferred?

Thank you Omega Forum fellow members.
 
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janice&fred
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I think you did very well at that price. Gorgeous example you got there!
 
cristos71
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Hmm, to start with there are others, myself included, who view the dog leg lug Constellation actually as an inferior design and much prefer the earlier references with the lyre lugs. The 14381 and 14393 ( yours ) being some of the last with lyre lugs.

Arabics on a piepan like yours I'd say are less common than stick markers but I certainly wouldn't describe them as rare.

The 14381 and 14393 were introduced IIRC 1959/1960 and are the two references without "officially certified" on the dial. So you have been mis-informed there. They are neither more or less desired due to this attribute, it's just a characteristic of these refs
 
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Eclipse39 Eclipse39
1. If I'm not mistaken, the most desirable are the pie pan with dog leg case, arrowhead dial, and hexagon crown. But how about the one that doesn't have those?
It depends on your personal tastes. I’m the opposite to @cristos71 and prefer the 60’s models, although I do own a couple of 14381’s. For sure the 50’s variants are much harder to find in good condition as you see a lot less of them for sale.
 
ConElPueblo
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Gentlemen prefer lyre lugs 😎

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Arabic numbers are definitely less common, but not more sought after and shouldn't command a premium, IMO. The crown design on the OP's watch is a superior design from a practical point of view and I like the aesthetic.

3. The seller told me that mine only has "Automatic chronometer" without "officially certified" written in the dial because it's from 1952. The officially certified was added for newer watch.

1962.
 
Eclipse39
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
Gentlemen prefer lyre lugs 😎

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Arabic numbers are definitely less common, but not more sought after and shouldn't command a premium, IMO. The crown design on the OP's watch is a superior design from a practical point of view and I like the aesthetic.



1962.

Yes, exactly ... I would have prefered to have the hexagon crown in any case.

Basicly, the condition of the watch (and the price) helped me to decide to buy it.

I'll just enjoy this one for the time being, and who knows if maybe another one crosses my path in the future, I will be fortunate enough to add another to my collection.

Thank you for all the new knowledge given.
 
Eclipse39
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cristos71 cristos71
Arabics on a piepan like yours I'd say are less common than stick markers but I certainly wouldn't describe them as rare.

The 14381 and 14393 were introduced IIRC 1959/1960 and are the two references without "officially certified" on the dial. So you have been mis-informed there. They are neither more or less desired due to this attribute, it's just a characteristic of these refs

Thanks for the explanation ... it's surely made me a little more knowledgeable about the constellation variant
 
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Welcome to the wonderful world of Constellations @Eclipse39
All good info given above.

personally, I’m something of an agnostic (Or some might argue a total style-whore) when it comes to case references.

I love the lyre lug cases but rather like the doglegs and have a particular fondness for the hidden crown case styles.

the case on your watch is rather good
The crown as @ConElPueblo says is a correct variant on this reference. (And much easier to use)
The ‘missing text’ dial does appear on a couple of other references from the early 60s (14900/14902 & occasionally 168.004) but is most commonly seen on your case style.

enjoy your new acquisition..
 
gbesq
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We all have our individual preferences. I like the lyre lug references too. But I’m not a huge fan of the C case Connies. My favorite, though, is still the dog leg pie pan references.
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Dan S
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Looks like a nice honest example. Enjoy it, and don't obsess about which of these little variations are more or less "collectible". It's all speculation in the long run. These are matters of taste and change with time. And honestly, what does it matter, a few hundred $ value more or less? Buy what you like and don't worry about other people's opinions. 👍
 
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Eclipse39 Eclipse39
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When I saw your Cosmic 2000 next to your Connie, I couldn’t help but let my duo say hi:

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(even though the refs are different)

Nice example you got there - I wouldn’t have anything else to add to the post of @Dan S
 
apsm100
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I owned a dog-leg for a bit and the lugs weren't for me. I actually prefer the lyre lug style a lot more and am on the hunt for one (non-lume). Your case is very nice 👍

Collectibility I would say that a dog-leg probably would move a lot faster if you ever wanted to sell as it is certainly more iconic.
 
Eclipse39
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Peemacgee Peemacgee
Welcome to the wonderful world of Constellations @Eclipse39
All good info given above.

personally, I’m something of an agnostic (Or some might argue a total style-whore) when it comes to case references.

I love the lyre lug cases but rather like the doglegs and have a particular fondness for the hidden crown case styles.

the case on your watch is rather good
The crown as @ConElPueblo says is a correct variant on this reference. (And much easier to use)
The ‘missing text’ dial does appear on a couple of other references from the early 60s (14900/14902 & occasionally 168.004) but is most commonly seen on your case style.

enjoy your new acquisition..

Thank you for the warm welcome ... really feel that I find a new home here.

Looking forward to learn new things and making friends along the way 👍
 
Eclipse39
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Dan S Dan S
Looks like a nice honest example. Enjoy it, and don't obsess about which of these little variations are more or less "collectible". It's all speculation in the long run. These are matters of taste and change with time. And honestly, what does it matter, a few hundred $ value more or less? Buy what you like and don't worry about other people's opinions. 👍

Well said!!

Just hope that my wife thought that way as well.
Hahahha, she just couldn't comprehend with why am I spending all those hard earned money to buy "old stuff" 😁
 
Eclipse39
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MtV MtV
When I saw your Cosmic 2000 next to your Connie, I couldn’t help but let my duo say hi:

93AFFCFC-222C-4FBD-B53E-F705A75D90E6.jpeg


(even though the refs are different)

Nice duo that you got right there as well bro!!

I kinda like the more casual vibe that the ST cosmic 2000 has, vintage with somewhat bit modern touch wkwk.

Nice example you got there - I wouldn’t have anything else to add to the post of @Dan S
 
krogerfoot
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Nice watch. I didn't see what the attraction to pie pan Constellations was (and you don't want to know what "pie pan" means in Japanese) until I got one myself. Very elegant and beautiful on the wrist, but the octagon crowns really are a pain to adjust.

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The Arabic numerals and lack of "Officially Certified" on the dial makes your watch that much more distinctive and fun to own. Enjoy.
 
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