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  1. harrymai86 Dec 1, 2015

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    Hi all,

    I have just purchased this piece from a local seller. An odd piece IMO but was tempted to take the risk as it has many figures I am after: black dial, rose gold capped, cross hair,3 6 9 12 dial...
    Here it is when it arrived, have not opened the back to check movement so I share some of sellers pictures.

    Dial looks good but it failed the MOY test, case looks good too except left lower lug a bit dented. Observatory color matchs the dial, hands with 8 stars clearly visible. Crown of course not original but again, color matches.
    Can I have your opinions about this piece? Did I do good?
     
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  2. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Dec 1, 2015

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    If that's a redial, then it's one of the best I've ever seen.

    Lugs and bezel are a bit chewed up, but not terrible.

    Edit - I was only able to find a single example of a pie-pan Ref. 2887. It was actually sold on this forum:

    https://omegaforums.net/threads/constellation-pie-pan-2887-cal-505-w-screwback.31355/

    The dial is definitely different than the OP's watch. I know that the 2887 is known with both "er" and "re" spelling of chronometer. According to Mondodec's essay on these, you can see that fonts on the dome dialed versions match this watch as well.

    http://download2133.mediafire.com/64h88a1avr6g/tkzzmmwwztn/Rare+Omega+Constellation+Model+2887.pdf

    Not sure what else to say about this dial.
    gatorcpa
     
  3. cicindela Steve @ ΩF Staff Member Dec 1, 2015

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    It is fine watch and an uncommon reference. It would be a nice watch to wear. The dial is refinished. Very nice job, but not original.
    As long as the price is reasonable worthy of consideration.
     
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  4. harrymai86 Dec 1, 2015

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    Hi Steve, which gave away "refinished" apart from MOY test? Yes it is a nice watch to wear even there are some uncertainties about the originality.
     
  5. hoipolloi Vintage Omega Connoisseur Dec 1, 2015

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    Looks like the font from a 168.005 with crosshair to me.

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    The M in Chronometer should be straight M to be correct for ref 2887.
     
  6. Peemacgee Purrrr-veyor of luxury cat box loungers Dec 2, 2015

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    that is scarily well done font
    am I correct in thinking that the cross hairs should always go through the quarters -whether indices or numerals?
     
  7. harrymai86 Dec 2, 2015

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    So it is refinished or dial from a 168.005 (franke)? oh my vintage constellation is quite tricky. Stil nice to wear though. Movement is running strong at the moment.
     
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  9. harrymai86 Dec 7, 2015

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    UPDATED: I just had a local watchmaker to open the back.
    Cal 501 with serie # 16247898 working fine a the moment, abit adjustment.
    The mystery is the case back stamped 2887. I have checked and never seen any 2887 with this style of caseback???
    Its style looks exactly like the 14747-1 in Desmond blog:
    http://omega-constellation-collecto...03/the-elusive-omega-constellation-14747.html

    well at least the local watchmaker confirmed it is truly a pink gold capped, not dipped in pink gold color...
     
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  10. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Dec 7, 2015

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    I have never seen a cal. 501 with 24 jewels and a serial number that high.

    In other words, this looks like a cal. 505 with a replaced bridge. This hurts the value a bit, but a correct replacement shouldn't be too tough to find.

    The caseback looks correct to my old and tired eyes.

    Hope this helps,
    gatorcpa
     
  11. TNTwatch Dec 7, 2015

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    You actually have great eyes concerning the auto bridge. The caseback looks like a genuine back, but it has a completely different shape to all the 2887 watches known to date. Those would also have either subfix -1 or -2 engraved after 2887 on the back while this one does not. Could be a rare variant of a rare watch. Pitty about the redial though.
     
  12. harrymai86 Dec 7, 2015

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    Thank you Gatorcpa,
    Yes I think it is a cal 505 since the serie is too high and I will check again and sort a 505 bridge which is not very hard. My local watchmaker has these available.
    about the caseback actually I found one with 2887 only as well but the stamp style of mine is the same as the rare ref 14747 as in Desmond blog.

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  13. kyle L Grasshopper Staff Member Dec 7, 2015

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    Any picture of the medallion?
     
  14. TNTwatch Dec 7, 2015

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    Interesting! Is that the whole watch or just the back? If whole, any more pictures available?
     
  15. harrymai86 Dec 7, 2015

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  16. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Dec 7, 2015

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    Both Omega and Jules Borel show the cal. 501 as the correct movement for Ref. 2887.

    http://cgi.julesborel.com/cgi-bin/matcgi2?ref=Ome+cs#2887&submit=Search

    However, other than a few non-Chronometer US market Globemasters, the cal. 501's were discontinued around 1956.

    The serial number on that movement indicates a 1958 production.

    The whole thing is a bit odd,
    gatorcpa