Team,
"Long time listener, first time caller" here.
This watch is at my local and it is a bit confusing.
Movement looks like a .321, but the color looks a little gold rather than copper.
Seems to be a 145.012 with a Meister Dial.
Dial seems pretty good, hands are new, but the caseback is the one that is throwing me for a loop.
Has both 105.012 and 145.015
Omegas are not my expertise, mostly a Vintage Tudor guy, but this has piqued my interest.
Possible steal, or frankenwatch?

 

sorry - typo - both 145.012 and 105.012

 

I'm interested to hear what the pros say about this one as well..

I'm totally new so take this all with a big grain of salt, but it's definitely not a 145.012. The 105.012-66/145.012 caseback doesn't match the 861 movement or post 1968 dial. And out of curiosity, why the dual markings? Old stock resued for a 'newer' 145.012 and then used for this 145.022?

Also, an 861 movement with what looks like a serial number in the 4X,XXX,XXX million range,18 vs 17 jewels inscribed on the movement, and a plastic component doesn't seem right? I thought the switch to 18 jewels wasn't until much later...

And is the dial a step dial (hard to tell from the pictures)? If so, I thought those were phased out in the 1974 time frame?

 

Hi! This is a 861 caliber movement. 145.012 was the last Model of the Speedmaster produced with the 321 cal. movement. So this does not add up. Looks like a Franken to me. I have no idea what a Meister Dial alone is worth thou and will leave this to the experts here.
Max

 

thanks team - I passed on this. Still interested to hear anything about the Meister dial - seen some on Chrono24 that are fetching a pretty penny.

 

This watch should be a 145.022-69 Meister but unfortunately is not. A shame really since a rather rare dial is ruined in this Franken. Below is a correct one that I own. It has a correct caseback and serial number (861 movement) is 3100xxxx. It also has a period correct 220 bezel. A similar watch (lot 19) just sold at the Christie's Speedmaster 49 auction for $8,750.

 

The Meister dials were only found on 145.022-69s?

I suppose the watch is worth the price of the dial and the parts..

By the way, nice watch!

 

I think MEISTER dials can be found in various references but the dial is 69 or later, with a 66/67 case, and a movement from a display backed Speedmaster from the 80's.

Just an accumulation of parts unless the dial age matches the movement and somehow the case was swapped. That's wishful thinking though.

 

No, Meister is a high end department store in Zurich. Until the early1970's, Meister and Tiffany had Omega pre engrave their store name on the watch dial. You will find Meister on other vintage Omegas. There are threads on OF regarding this.

 

Just a detail: Omega did not add the retailer's name before delivery. Meister added their name when they received it. Tiffany probably the same

 

Thanks all. Passed on it. Now to look for a nice example of a MK II.