Caveat Bonhams - another auction house to be avoided

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Hello Omega hive,

I watched a recent auction from Bonhams in France (where buyers from inside EU would have to pay extra import VAT on top of hammer+commission!).
There was a single photo offer: a rose gold watch with an 30 T2 SC Rg movement + chronometre dial but indexes and hands where "white" (most likely white gold). description mentioned "Hands: Replaced at some point", OK at least they got this right.
But then "Signed: Case, dial & movement" - the case was definitely not signed as I could see in additional photos I had requested.
The case was non-Omega - so the movement/dial had been recased. No mention in the item description!
The person who sent me the additional photos was Luka Čulić, Senior Specialist, Watches.
I sent him a response and told him that the item description was misleading because the re-casing was not mentioned at all and I advised him to amend the lot description.
And guess what: no reaction, no response, the item description remained misleading...
Bonhams is another auction house to be handled cautiously - do your due diligence before you drop a bid there.

I know, you want to see a photo, not a link. But I post only a link this time because I am afraid the auction house might take legal measures if I use their photo without asking for permission as some kind of revenge...

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/317...-rose-18k-750-mouvement-mecanique-circa-1944/

Finally added the single shown photo:
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All auction lots from all auction houses need to be approached with skepticism, it's up to the buyer to either inspect the lot in person or rely on the pictures and description provided. That's just the way it is in the auction world.
 
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Hello Omega hive,

I watched a recent auction from Bonhams in France (where buyers from inside EU would have to pay extra import VAT on top of hammer+commission!).
There was a single photo offer: a rose gold watch with an 30 T2 SC Rg movement + chronometre dial but indexes and hands where "white" (most likely white gold). description mentioned "Hands: Replaced at some point", OK at least they got this right.
But then "Signed: Case, dial & movement" - the case was definitely not signed as I could see in additional photos I had requested.
The case was non-Omega - so the movement/dial had been recased. No mention in the item description!
The person who sent me the additional photos was Luka Čulić, Senior Specialist, Watches.
I sent him a response and told him that the item description was misleading because the re-casing was not mentioned at all and I advised him to amend the lot description.
And guess what: no reaction, no response, the item description remained misleading...
Bonhams is another auction house to be handled cautiously - do your due diligence before you drop a bid there.

I know, you want to see a photo, not a link. But I post only a link this time because I am afraid the auction house might take legal measures if I use their photo without asking for permission as some kind of revenge...

https://www.bonhams.com/auction/317...-rose-18k-750-mouvement-mecanique-circa-1944/
I also followed this auction. I bought from them several times before. I always request photos before I bid.

This said, I thought prices this time were too high compared to previous auctions from Bonhams. A Nicolet with Landeron 13 got sold for 1500 euros after fee and vat. Yes it had a nice dial, but still.
 
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You can use the photo under Fair Use law in that it’s for teaching.

Permitted Purposes: Fair use and fair dealing cover specific activities like criticism, review, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research
 
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They seem to have the appropriate weasel language in their listing:
Please note that although Bonhams endeavour to include reference to any replacement parts within our Condition Reports we cannot confirm that each individual element of the watch is original or that, if replaced, the replacement has been made using original manufacturer's parts.
Not sure that one auction house is better than any of the others.
gatorcpa
 
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It seems like auction houses should be treated as the least trustworthy source to buy a watch….
 
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You can use the photo under Fair Use law in that it’s for teaching.

Permitted Purposes: Fair use and fair dealing cover specific activities like criticism, review, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research
Thanks Don for the info - so finally I have added the photo (encouraged by you 😉)
 
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