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  1. HairspringHarry Jul 24, 2018

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    Hi there!
    I need to clarify a few things on this 18ct Cartier with a manually wound JLC movement. I don’t have much experience with either of these brands so forgive me if it seems like an amateur question,
    Firstly, I know Cartier did use JLC movements for some time but I can’t find a watch like this one anywhere online!
    I am also struggling to identify the movement as there seems to be no obvious number, other than a serial number along the edge.
    The case is fully hallmarked though the numbers stamped on it do not lead me to any particular watch.
    Any help would be greatly appreciated as I wish to sell this but need to describe it correctly.
    Regards
    Harry
     
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  2. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 24, 2018

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  3. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jul 24, 2018

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    The printing of the signature does not appear to be sufficiently fine to be be original.
     
  4. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jul 24, 2018

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    Hard to call on these as different Cartier locations did different things it appears. They sometimes purchased of the shelf gold omega Rolex etc and signed them. Sometimes with mark.

    The in-house branded stuff doesn’t have a lot of data out there, as it appears a lot of little runs that differed year by year and by location.

    Then again it’s also an easy ploy to fake one.
     
  5. HairspringHarry Jul 24, 2018

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    Thanks for all the responses, it's much appreciated. I've done some more research and the case is obviously JLC as I've seen this case on some other 50s/60s JLC watches. I guess really it comes down to the dial. The 'Cartier' font is quite sharp under a loupe but my photo does it no justice. Any ideas on the movement?
    Thanks again!
     
  6. ulackfocus Jul 24, 2018

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    In layman's terms, it's a poor redial.
     
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  7. gatorcpa ΩF InvestiGator Staff Member Jul 24, 2018

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    Movement is genuine JLC, looks like a modified cal. 480. As I stated above, it may not be correct for this watch if a Cartier.

    My guess is that the dial had a JLC signature on it when it left the factory. Hands look a bit short also.
    gatorcpa
     
  8. ulackfocus Jul 24, 2018

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    I'll second that evaluation.
     
  9. HairspringHarry Jul 24, 2018

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    Okay so it's a genuine JLC with a Cartier radial to summarise things.
    Cheers for all the replies!
     
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  10. Tony C. Ωf Jury member Jul 24, 2018

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    Since when are laymen allowed on this forum? :rolleyes:
     
  11. ulackfocus Jul 24, 2018

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    They've been sneaking in for years. Now they're the majority of the population!
     
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  12. HairspringHarry Aug 20, 2018

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    Hi again chaps
    Thought I'd give you all a little update.
    I sold this watch to a vintage Cartier collector who dated in the late 1950s. The numbers on the case (which I struggled to match to any database), are Cartier stock numbers so it's actually likely (although possibly restored) this watch is actually correct.
    Also at this time Cartier were known to use 'off the shelf' JLC movements!
    Have a great week!
     
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  13. François Pépin Oct 27, 2018

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    Sorry to intervene a bit late, but just in case it can be useful, I wanted to say there is definitely something odd with this watch. The caliber is a 810, which is somehow a 480 with central second. But the watch does not have a second hand and the cannon pinion does not have a hole for a central second pinion. So it is probably at least a Franken.
     
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