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Can you enlighten me on those two unusual Omegas?

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Hi everyone,

Newcomer on this forum and in the amazing world of watch enthusiasts, I came across those two Omegas, which I fell in love with.
Having not much knowledge about them, I was wondering if you can enlighten me, I don't even know if they're genuine or not!

The first one, with a magnificent black dial and a gorgeous patina on the lume:

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I've never seen a Seamaster with this aviation like dial and those spearhead hands.

The second one is more often seen, but the almost mint condition and the US ARMY markings are suspicious... It seems to have been sold in 2021 by Exclusive Vintage Watches shop.

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Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions, and please excuse my English.

William.
 
Davidt
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The first is a complete fantasy redial. Omega didn’t make such a dial
 
Dan S
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First one looks like a common fake dial. I can barely see the case-back engraving on the second.
 
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Dan S Dan S
First one looks like a common fake dial. I can barely see the case-back engraving on the second.

And hands.
 
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Thank you very much!

The black dial seemed a bit odd, and the combination of the Seamaster 300 like hands with it made me suspicious.

Here's a picture of the movement of the black dial one:

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The second one may be a civilian version with "US ARMY" added?
 
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W William KJM
The second one is more often seen, but the almost mint condition and the US ARMY markings are suspicious...

If you had a "mint" condition one to compare it to you wouldn't find this one nearly so. The US ARMY markings on these were a bit random, often uneven, sometimes light, sometimes a bit heavier and keep in mind they are close to 80 years old. The only way to know if one is a true army issue is to get an extract from Omega.
 
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If you had a "mint" condition one to compare it to you wouldn't find this one nearly so. The US ARMY markings on these were a bit random, often uneven, sometimes light, sometimes a bit heavier and keep in mind they are close to 80 years old. The only way to know if one is a true army issue is to get an extract from Omega.

Thank you, I'm trying to get pictures from the movement and the serial to know more about this one from Omega archives.
I've contacted the shop that is supposed to have sold it in 2021 (Exclusive Vintage Watches) but nothing so far. Is it a recommended shop?

Thank you kindly for all your answers and advices, your experience if pretty valuable to me.
 
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W William KJM
Thank you very much!

The black dial seemed a bit odd, and the combination of the Seamaster 300 like hands with it made me suspicious.

Here's a picture of the movement of the black dial one:

If you Google the pictured caseback reference 14772-1 you will see what this watch should look like! Definitely franken...
 
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The second one appears to be a redial as well. That "Omega" rendition looks uneven.

We've all paid our dues with redials. I still have a "shameless hussy" redial Omega or three around here from olden days of watch accumulating.

I had to join the Forum in order to learn better how to navigate the murky waters of vintage Omega.
 
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Thank you, I'm trying to get pictures from the movement and the serial to know more about this one from Omega archives.
I've contacted the shop that is supposed to have sold it in 2021 (Exclusive Vintage Watches) but nothing so far. Is it a recommended shop?

Thank you kindly for all your answers and advices, your experience if pretty valuable to me.

You realize that it costs $150 to get an Extract from Omega's archives.
 
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You realize that it costs $150 to get an Extract from Omega's archives.
Yes, I realize that. I'll first try to know more from the seller, get more info about it.
 
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Yes, I realize that. I'll first try to know more from the seller, get more info about it.

Just study the dial, and I think you will decide not to waste more time on it.
 
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The second one appears to be a redial as well. That "Omega" rendition looks uneven.

We've all paid our dues with redials. I still have a "shameless hussy" redial Omega or three around here from olden days of watch accumulating.

I had to join the Forum in order to learn better how to navigate the murky waters of vintage Omega.
Thank you, it's reassuring to see that it's a common mistake. Fortunately (and thanks to you guys) I came here BEFORE buying any of it.
 
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Hi everyone,

Newcomer on this forum and in the amazing world of watch enthusiasts, I came across those two Omegas, which I fell in love with.
Having not much knowledge about them, I was wondering if you can enlighten me, I don't even know if they're genuine or not!

The first one, with a magnificent black dial and a gorgeous patina on the lume:

IMG_20221027_205007.jpg IMG_20221027_204949.jpg

I've never seen a Seamaster with this aviation like dial and those spearhead hands.

The second one is more often seen, but the almost mint condition and the US ARMY markings are suspicious... It seems to have been sold in 2021 by Exclusive Vintage Watches shop.

IMG_20221027_205030.jpg IMG_20221027_205017.jpg


Thank you all for your thoughts and opinions, and please excuse my English.

William.


William; Thank you for joining us.

I will excuse your English if you'll excuse my Texan slaying of the English language.
 
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The world of vintage watches is truly dangerous.

It really takes a while to get to know how to differentiate an original watch from a fake one (these two are both abolutely fake). And, sometimes (if you are lucky), you come across something you have never seen before, that nobody knows about (there are such things in the vintage world) and that are very valuable.

If you do your research, you will won't fall for fake watches and know what has value and what has not. It takes a lot of time but fortunately, OF is here.
 
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Thank you all again, I've started reading ConElPueblo's thread about starting fishing for vintage watches and.... I should have started with that...

Looking at the pics, I can see more clearly now the "eyebrow raising points", the OMEGA marking that looks handwritten, and more.

I'll spend some time reading and educating myself with those threads and topics, thanks to all the community for sharing your knowledge.
 
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The second watch doesn’t look correct at all. It is possible the case is a Ref. 2179, but the engraving looks to be too large and deep to be real. Better pictures are needed for sure.

See this thread: https://omegaforums.net/threads/a-new-one-in-my-collection-ck-2179-us-army.50009/

Note that only the dial with radial numerals style was used on the US Army issued watches. Other dials were used on the Ref. 2179 sold in the civilian market.
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