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Can anyone help me ? Speedmaster ST145.022, please !!!

  1. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    Hello, I'm Mateus, from Brazil.
    I rarely post here but today I really need the help of you guys!
    I would really appreciate if anyone could help with a Speedmaster..
    Seller says it's a ST145.022-74 and has a 29 million serial number..
    But you can see in the caseback photo it shows 145.022-76 ST.. And in the movement it doesn't seem to have 29xxxxxx written..
    And bezel seems to be the wrong one for this reference

    Here are the pictures:

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    Please, help me with this one
    Thank you,

    Mateus Tosatti.
     
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  2. Davidt May 15, 2016

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    It's hard to see some of the details from those pictures but what do you want to know?

    As you say, the case ref is different to what the seller quotes and although I can't make out the serial with complete certainty, it doesn't look like a 29xxxxxx. If it is, it's wrong for this ref. the bezel is also fairly modern.

    Time to walk away unless the seller can provide some answers.
     
  3. dennisthemenace Hey, he asked for it! May 15, 2016

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    The serial number appears to be 395xxxxx which would be correct for a 76. the dial font would also be correct for that reference I believe.
     
  4. Davidt May 15, 2016

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    Sounds like the seller might just have mixed up some of their pictures and descriptions then.
     
  5. Badwolf May 15, 2016

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    It also has replacement end links, they're not omega.
     
  6. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    The seller actually said end links are not original. I forgot to say that.
    He is a big and respectable collector and seller here in Brazil, It could be that he just mixed up the numbers.
    So if it is a ST145.022-76 (as written on the caseback), the watch seems to be ok ? Bracelet, clasp, dial (based in my research they are), bezel, movement and caseback ?



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  7. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    Also, he is asking 2400USD equivalent.. Only the watch


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  8. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia May 15, 2016

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    Bracelet is a correct vintage 1171. Easy enough to get correct replacement 633? End links.
     
  9. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia May 15, 2016

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    Lume doesn't look great. You have a better dial shot?
     
  10. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    Unfortunately I don't have any other photo..
    Why do you think lume doesn't look great ?


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  11. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    Is the price he is asking good ?


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  13. gemini4 Hoarder Of Speed et alia May 15, 2016

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    It doesn't appear to have a nice yellow patina as these dials, when they are in good condition, usually have This may be entirely related to the camera angle. Here is a similar era dial (disregard the bezel however) showing a nice yellow patina at the lume plots and hands.

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  14. robocaspar May 15, 2016

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    The lume plots do look a little dark green ish. Possible moisture damage?
     
  15. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    This would be a matter of preference, right?
     
  16. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    And what about the big letters bezel ? Surely right ?
     
  17. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    EDIT: small letters bezel
     
  18. Mateustosatti May 15, 2016

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    [​IMG]
    I only found one ST145.022-76 with this same bezel on the internet


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  19. Banner Roar May 16, 2016

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    As you say bezel not correct for a 76.
     
  20. Mateustosatti May 16, 2016

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    I only found one ST145.022-76 with this same bezel on the internet:
    Would this be a problem to you guys here ?
    Here in Brazil is pretty hard to find an older Speedy