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  1. JwRosenthal Jul 4, 2019

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    This popped up on eBay this morning in my saved searches. I have always wanted a tuxedo dialed watch. I tried cross referencing online and nothing in the Brystol line looks similar or even close. Ranfft shows the movement as being from 1965 or 1970. Case back numbers don’t correspond with anything I have found on Certina collector sites do not sure if that’s a correct back.
    Hand and dial lume don’t match but that’s not uncommon. Most of the other Bristol’s I have found don’t have the sunken sub-dial for the second hand, so not sure if this is real or a Franken of some kind.

    I made a low offer and the seller met in the middle so even if it’s a redial I won’t be crushed as the price was not bad and it’s very attractive having all the visual features I wanted in a tuxedo.

    Anyone seen one like this before?
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  2. Vitezi Jul 4, 2019

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  3. JwRosenthal Jul 4, 2019

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    Thank you Vitezi, I knew someone who know who to call.
    I’ve gotten pretty good ar spotting the omega quirks but Certina is foreign to me other than just browsing online all the time.
     
  4. DaveK Yoda of Yodelers Jul 4, 2019

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    Oh man, I hope it is real, either way, it is stunning. Congrats!
     
  5. JwRosenthal Jul 4, 2019

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    I really scrutinized it like I’ve learned in the vintage Omega forum. Lettering is all in keeping with other Certina of the time, black ring is crisp and lumed numerals look factory and not hand done.
    Sub second has snailing and the there is a light patina on the dial.
    Case looks sharp and brushing is intact...but it looks like a modern interpretation of a 40’s style (even though is supposed to be 60’s/70’s). In essence, it looks too perfect.

    Oh, and in the description he says it’s 38mm (I assume with the crown) which still at 36 is a big sucker.
     
  6. DaveK Yoda of Yodelers Jul 4, 2019

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    I don’t know the model at all, but you checked al the boxes I did, and more. Drop a grid line on the 6:00 minute marker and see if it lines up with the 12 & 6 sub seconds markers, that’s the only if I can see on my phone screen.

    If it is a redial, then let’s go find the artist -s/he’s a goose that lays golden eggs.
     
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  7. JwRosenthal Jul 4, 2019

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    None of the pics are dead strait on but eyeballing it slightly off center on the head on shot (it slightly shot from the right), those lines all look perfect to me.
     
  8. DaveK Yoda of Yodelers Jul 4, 2019

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    :thumbsup:
     
  9. wagudc Jul 4, 2019

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  11. michael22 Jul 4, 2019

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    Looks awwesome. I think a lot of manufacturers put out some throwback designs in the late 60's, just before the 70's funk took over.
     
  12. JwRosenthal Jul 5, 2019

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    That exactly what I am hoping it is.
     
  13. Foo2rama Keeps his worms in a ball instead of a can. Jul 5, 2019

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  14. bubba48 Jul 5, 2019

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    Very nice watch in good condition, but I think that the hands aren't correct.
     
  15. JwRosenthal Jul 5, 2019

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    That’s usually my first stop on movement info, it’s where I got the 65 or 70 date.
     
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  16. JwRosenthal Jul 5, 2019

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    So a little more detective work on eBay and I have found two more Bristol’s with the same sword hands. The second one actually has the exact case and case-back numbers (but very different dial). The Swiss seller of the second one states he changing the hands, so we don’t know what was on it originally but I infer from his broken English that they are the same style, just new hands. His history speaks to being big into Certina so I doubt he would sell a fake.

    https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?mpre=https://www.ebay.com/ulk/itm/192878574628

    That’s said, both of these dials have that look like the India specials I see pop up for Tissot and omega so I’m now wondering if the one I got is one of those contrivances. But the Swiss seller counters that thinking.

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  17. Professor Jul 5, 2019

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    A fine looking watch. I really like that regulator assembly.
     
  18. Radiumpassion Jul 5, 2019

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    I think the hands are correct. I got a couple of these certinas, somewhere....
     
  19. ConElPueblo Jul 5, 2019

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    Sorry, no help here - the dial looks too good to be a reprint, but the style does look odd in that case. Have a look at the first post in this thread.
     
  20. JwRosenthal Jul 5, 2019

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    That’s the dial!! But branded with a different model (which is not unusual in the Omega world either. Is it possible this was recased?