Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs

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This thread is such a happy place to hang out 馃榾

Thanks to the contributors for taking the time to tell the stories behind the watches.
 
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I started collecting pocket watches when I was 9. My first was a Westclox pocket Ben I bought in an antique store in Carson City, NV on a school field trip- it still runs.
I collected nearly 50 by the time I was 16- many I have given away as gifts (some of my better ones), but I still have a handful.

Here are two I have always been curious about. Both picked up in an antique store in Brighton, UK in the mid 80鈥檚. Maybe ya鈥檒l can tell me something about them.




This one is a double cased fusee, it ran when I got it, I broke the chain tinkering with it. I haven鈥檛 found a watchmaker who was able to work on it-yet.
 
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I too got my start with a Westclox Pocket Ben that my dad bought me when I was in second grade.
 
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My first pocket watch was also a Westclox Pocket Dax which I took to pieces in class, in Miss Byers room, in grade 1, in 1946.

@JwRosenthal ,

Tanis could be a Unitas 6445 or the Eta equivalent, or it could be a clone. I see stampings under the balance wheel, but can鈥檛 make them out. Mikrolisk has this to say about the Tanis name. And here is a picture of the Unitas 6445 movement.

Your English pair cased watch appears to be an English lever, fusee, unfortunately with an anonymous movement. The case was hallmarked in Chester (England), in (it appears to be) 1842-43. The case makers mark could be T.H, in which case it could have been made by Thomas Howl, 32 Norman鈥檚 Buildings, St. Luke鈥檚. It could be I.H in which case it might be by John Harris, 6 York St., Butts, Coventry. Both makers were active at about the time the watch was hallmarked. Information courtesy of Phillip Priestley鈥檚 excellent volume on English watch case makers.

 
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My first pocket watch was also a Westclox Pocket Dax which I took to pieces in class, in Miss Byers room, in grade 1, in 1946.

@JwRosenthal ,

Tanis could be a Unitas 6445 or the Eta equivalent, or it could be a clone. I see stampings under the balance wheel, but can鈥檛 make them out. Mikrolisk has this to say about the Tanis name. And here is a picture of the Unitas 6445 movement.

Your English pair cased watch appears to be an English lever, fusee, unfortunately with an anonymous movement. The case was hallmarked in Chester (England), in (it appears to be) 1842-43. The case makers mark could be T.H, in which case it could have been made by Thomas Howl, 32 Norman鈥檚 Buildings, St. Luke鈥檚. It could be I.H in which case it might be by John Harris, 6 York St., Butts, Coventry. Both makers were active at about the time the watch was hallmarked. Information courtesy of Phillip Priestley鈥檚 excellent volume on English watch case makers.

Thanks Doug.
Any clue on the train, and the logos on the back of the Tannis?

Do you know anyone who can repair the fusee?
 
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Just answered my own question with google- Turkish railways.
This logo is from 1927

 
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Hammy Niner Fife Zero railroader circa late 1920s for Thursday...have original box and mitt with matching movement and case numbers...trusty @DaveK lanyard for secure hauling...

 
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Working hard at proving we need our own Pocket Watch forum. Thanks all!
 
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Thanks Doug.
Any clue on the train, and the logos on the back of the Tannis?

Do you know anyone who can repair the fusee?

When you find someone who will give you a quote for repairing the fusee, better be sitting down!馃槈
 
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Hammy Niner Fife Zero railroader circa late 1920s for Thursday...have original box and mitt with matching movement and case numbers...trusty @DaveK lanyard for secure hauling...

Holt crap! That watch was $105?!?! That鈥檚 was a fortune!
 
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When you find someone who will give you a quote for repairing the fusee, better be sitting down!馃槈
Was hoping I could find someone who loves bringing watches like this back to life and would do it for a bottle of scotch and a pizza. 馃槜
 
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Hammy Niner Fife Zero railroader circa late 1920s for Thursday...have original box and mitt with matching movement and case numbers...trusty @DaveK lanyard for secure hauling...


Darn, that Hamilton 950 is a gorgeous movement! I have a 950, and a 950B, but I would like to add a 950E (Elinvar) to my collection, as well. Tres expensive, however.
 
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Was hoping I could find someone who loves bringing watches like this back to life and would do it for a bottle of scotch and a pizza. 馃槜

I once saw a 1.5 oz. bottle of 1958 Glenfarclas for $1,250.00 (Cdn.)! At that price, it had probably been ageing in that liquor store for a long time!
 
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I would recommend that you don't use the clones, just get a genuine ETA/Unitas movement, you'll be happy you did.

The clones aren't built to the same standards as the originals and that leads to problems getting things back together and adjusting properly.

Even getting a "non-working" or a "basket case" is for later when you know what you're doing.

I can't remember what @Mad Dog used, but I think it was a genuine ETA.
Correct...we disassembled/reassembled the ETA 6497-1 at AWCI build-a-watch school in March of 2018. Initially, our class started with the Seagull equivalent...but things got pretty ridiculous very quickly [with the Seagull] and leprechauns switched the class to the ETA 6497-1 on St. Patrick鈥檚 Day. Needless to say, our class [as well as the instructors] were pretty happy about the switcheroo.
 
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Such a great thread and reading... Congrats guys! Keep on subliming us with your watches 馃榾
 
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GrandPappy Ball would had been spinning in his grave in the 1950鈥檚 when a Swiss Made movement was sourced for is Railroad Approved models.
A last gasp.




He wrote the rules 50 years before specifically excluding Swiss Made as an approved RR grade movement in the US.
 
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GrandPappy Ball would had been spinning in his grave in the 1950鈥檚 when a Swiss Made movement was sourced for is Railroad Approved models.
A last gasp.




He wrote the rules 50 years before specifically excluding Swiss Made as an approved RR grade movement in the US.

The Ball 435B was made for Ball, after the last American watch manufacturer closed shop. That was Hamilton, in 1969. It appears as though Ball might have had input in designing the 435B and 435 C, because there are some features about these that mimic features on the Hamilton 992B. These Swiss Ball watches were made by the Record Watch Co., of Switzerland. I have worked on these Swiss Ball watches, and I much prefer the American Ball watches! As to Ball not accepting Swiss watches for his Ball ORRS watches? Did he actually deliberately forbid Swiss watches in his time service rules, or was it simply a matter of there were so many American makers to choose from? Ever the business man. When he was no longer able to procure American watches, he had to have something to sell, So Record watches filled a need. Some Swiss railroad standard watches were approved in the time service rules of some American railroads. Universal Geneva, Zenith, Longines, and Brandt (Omega). Time service rules as set out by Ball were not 100% adhered to by some railroads.