Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs

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I happened across this Hamilton 950B lever set and this Elgin B W Raymond in an antique shop. Both run and dials don’t have any noticeable cracks. The lever for the Hamilton Lever set seems deep (or broken off). I made an offer and they countered with $700 for the pair. This is a pretty quick transaction. Your expertise, thought, and suggestions are needed and appreciated. Thanks!
 
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Seems cheap.
The Hamilton may be a recase as the movement holding screw has mark adjacent to it.
 
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Seems cheap.
The Hamilton may be a recase as the movement holding screw has mark adjacent to it.
I let them ride for the time being. I know where they are and they’ve been sitting in that case for at least 8 months according to a worker there. Listed price for the Hammy was $900. The Elgin was listed at $750 or so. I may go back and fetch them next week. It’s not but an hour and a half from me.
 
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I think they would both have left the shop with me both are very desirable especially the wind indicator Elgin, tasty indeed, don't delay too much.
 
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I happened across this Hamilton 950B lever set and this Elgin B W Raymond in an antique shop. Both run and dials don’t have any noticeable cracks. The lever for the Hamilton Lever set seems deep (or broken off). I made an offer and they countered with $700 for the pair. This is a pretty quick transaction. Your expertise, thought, and suggestions are needed and appreciated. Thanks!
Allow for the possibility a service will be required on either or both of them. If the setting lever is broken, there will likely be a hunt involved to find a replacement. $700 for the pair is a decent price
 
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Sometimes that little lip of a lever has just slipped a hair....hopefully.

Someone would really want to and continue to want to break that metal lip.

Take a loop.

Both are a buy, easily, at that $700 total price.
 
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Sometimes that little lip of a lever has just slipped a hair....hopefully.

Someone would really want to and continue to want to break that metal lip.

Take a loop.

Both are a buy, easily, at that $700 total price.
I knew I should have walked out with them. I regretted my indecision before I was a third of the way home. Evaluating (and valuating) pocket watches is not my strong suit. Thanks for the info!
 
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Waddayawanna bet the price will be higher when you go back, now that they know you want them!
 
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Waddayawanna bet the price will be higher when you go back, now that they know you want them!
We (both parties)) got it in writing after a phone call with the owner 😉. I wasn’t that shortsighted 😁
 
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I think they are a solid buy. I bought one 950 the other day for $900 (including a service) and I feel like I did okay on the deal.
 
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Speaking of my new 950, I've been wearing it for a week and timining it against the US Naval Observatory. Over a week it's lost 12 seconds. I'm thinking about making a "should I return it?" post complaining that a 112 year old watch shouldn't lose 48 seconds in a month. Here a couple of pictures to remind you of just how nice this one is.

 
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Speaking of my new 950, I've been wearing it for a week and timining it against the US Naval Observatory. Over a week it's lost 12 seconds. I'm thinking about making a "should I return it?" post complaining that a 112 year old watch shouldn't lose 48 seconds in a month. Here a couple of pictures to remind you of just how nice this one is.

I’ve had my Hamilton 950 for about 30 years. I went through it right after I bought it, but it hasn’t been touched since then. I don’t think I’ll be checking it to determine the weekly rate. While I like my 950B, I 💕 my 950!

 
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I’ve had my Hamilton 950 for about 30 years. I went through it right after I bought it, but it hasn’t been touched since then. I don’t think I’ll be checking it to determine the weekly rate. While I like my 950B, I 💕 my 950!

These are the very nicest of watches.

I see yours is a lever set.
 
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These are the very nicest of watches.

I see yours is a lever set.
Hamilton produced 4,000 or so 950s in stem set, and 17,000 odd in lever set. Mine is lever set. Yours is which? How do you know mine is a lever set?
 
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Hamilton produced 4,000 or so 950s in stem set, and 17,000 odd in lever set. Mine is lever set. Yours is which? How do you know mine is a lever set?
Mine is pendant set. Yours doesn't have the small blue screw by bridge screw just to the right of the winding wheel. It's the screw that allows you to set the keyless works out of a case on the pendant set watches.

In this picture you can see that screw well, and if you look at the pillar plate you can see the small lever it moves and some of the keyless works where it engages.


On my 952, you can see that the screw, lever, and exposed keyless works are missing all missing.


Edit: you can also tell that my 952 has the older style four foot dial by the presence of a dial foot by the serial number.

Edit (part deux): Most of these observations were pointed out to me by Terry Hall over on the NAWCC forum.
Edited:
 
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Now that you point these fearures out, it is quite obvious. As the 950-950E-950B series evolved there were other changes as well. Here I show my 950 and my 950B. Notice the one-piece barrel bridge on the 950B, and that it has only three barrel bridge screws compared to a two-piece bridge, and 4 screws on the 950. This is because Hamilton adopted some features of the 992B for the 950B. Also, the 950B has the 992B whiplash spring on the regulator. And the whiplash spring on my 950 is chamfered, with a mirror polish on the chamfer. That spring differs to all the other whiplash springs featured in this thread.

 
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Now that you point these fearures out, it is quite obvious. As the 950-950E-950B series evolved there were other changes as well. Here I show my 950 and my 950B. Notice the one-piece barrel bridge on the 950B, and that it has only three barrel bridge screws compared to a two-piece bridge, and 4 screws on the 950. This is because Hamilton adopted some features of the 992B for the 950B. Also, the 950B has the 992B whiplash spring on the regulator. And the whiplash spring on my 950 is chamfered, with a mirror polish on the chamfer. That spring differs to all the other whiplash springs featured in this thread.

Your 950 and my 950 are both of the newer style, which according to Halligan was adopted in 1915. My 952 #846048 features three differences: a single piece barrel bridge, the two screw winding wheel, and the four foot dial.

Edit: Kindly excuse the incorrect case screws. I have a pair of, what I hope are, the correct smaller headed screws coming from Ebay.


My 950 #1020024 has all the same major features of your 950.
 
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Now that you point these fearures out, it is quite obvious. As the 950-950E-950B series evolved there were other changes as well. Here I show my 950 and my 950B. Notice the one-piece barrel bridge on the 950B, and that it has only three barrel bridge screws compared to a two-piece bridge, and 4 screws on the 950. This is because Hamilton adopted some features of the 992B for the 950B. Also, the 950B has the 992B whiplash spring on the regulator. And the whiplash spring on my 950 is chamfered, with a mirror polish on the chamfer. That spring differs to all the other whiplash springs featured in this thread.

When you put the 950 and the 950B next to each other you can really appreciate how much prettier the 950 is, which is saying something because the 950B ain't no slouch.
 
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Stop it stop it, you guys are making me jealous😀

Thankfully there seems to be a never ending supply of these US iconic PW's coming up for sale as collections go thru the life cycle of their owners.
 
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Well, I’ll never turn down the chance to show my 950 from 1919, blue screw and all.

Love the unfaded, deep red numerals, too.