Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs

Rune · 2025-02-02T19:22:18-0600

Just got this Omega today.Previously owner dind`t know anything about it so i had to open it up.I belive its a Omega cal.20 NN based on the measurements i did. D:43.8mm H:8mm and the keyless work but haven`t got time to do the reasearch.So please comment if you know anything about it.Runs great but missing the original hour and minute hand and one wrong srew holding the movement in place.It`s not a high end watch but i like these old movements and the research around them.

Canuck · 2025-02-02T19:48:34-0600

Circa 1917-18, so well over 100 years old. A quite substantial movement, very reliable, but not highly adjusted. 15 jewel model, plenty of them made, and they appear frequently here on the pocket watch thread. The dial is vitreous enamel, and as is often the case, it shows some hairlines, the result likely of falls, or major bumps. It would look a lot better with a cleaning while you have it off the watch. I am confused by the case colour shown in your photos, but I assume it is nickel silver. A copper/nickel alloy, with no silver content in the alloy.

TexOmega · 2025-02-02T19:49:59-0600

I wouldn't be surprised if that is an original moon hand

JimInOz · 2025-02-02T20:10:56-0600

I agree with your conclusions, the lack of keyless works on the dial side indicate a NN.
Brevet 26513, "Advanced pendant winding and time setting mechanism" was issued to Societe Anonyme Louis Brandt & Frere in September 1903.

The movement number and case number date the watch to ca 1918.

JimInOz · 2025-02-02T20:14:04-0600

TexOmega
I wouldn't be surprised if that is an original moon hand

I agree, however Omega referred to them as "Empire" hands, as they also did with the "Empire" numerals on this dial.

Rune · 2025-02-02T20:14:22-0600

Canuck
Circa 1917-18, so well over 100 years old. A quite substantial movement, very reliable, but not highly adjusted. 15 jewel model, plenty of them made, and they appear frequently here on the pocket watch thread. The dial is vitreous enamel, and as is often the case, it shows some hairlines, the result likely of falls, or major bumps. It would look a lot better with a cleaning while you have it off the watch. I am confused by the case colour shown in your photos, but I assume it is nickel silver. A copper/nickel alloy, with no silver content in the alloy.

Yes its a nickel/copper alloy i think looks green/grey.I will shine it up after i get the right hands.And not a original moon hand(dond`t know what that is but its just one i had laying around and it`s to big anyway😅)

JimInOz · 2025-02-02T20:17:35-0600

Rune
And not a original moon hand

Close match to an Empire hands, maybe of a smaller caliber?

Canuck · 2025-02-02T20:27:07-0600

I’ve also heard that hand style called “Breguet”.

JimInOz · 2025-02-02T20:37:23-0600

Canuck
I’ve also heard that hand style called “Breguet”.

I think Breguet was the original user of that style and many references use this term.
I suspect Omega wanted to avoid using another watchmakers terms and came up with their own.

Although now that Swatch Group now own Breguet, Omega could use the term without fear.

😉

Rune · 2025-02-02T20:39:54-0600

It`s the crystal that`s all scratched up so the dial looks verry bad.It looks good,there is small chip on the top but not visible under the crystal

Rune · 2025-02-02T20:43:43-0600

This hand is the right one but not the right size.

JimInOz · 2025-02-02T20:44:10-0600

Good result. Vitreous enamel dials can be cleaned (taking due care, a new crystal and hands and this will be a looker.

Rune · 2025-02-02T20:45:43-0600

And its actually a hair on the dial😂

Rune · 2025-02-02T20:50:19-0600

Thanks for the replys its getting late here in norway😴🥱

JimInOz · 2025-02-02T20:50:39-0600

Rune
This hand is the right one but not the right size.

As the watch dates to 1918 I would think Breguet/Empire hands would be contemporary.
The simpler leaf hands seem to appear around the late 1920 to 1930 or so.
However, AJTT shows both styles existing about 1930, so who knows.