Calling all Pocket Watch Buffs

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AVOID! THERE, I’VE SAID IT! Explanation forthcoming!

I have added a call out (arrow) to the picture of one of my Elgins with the same regulator. That part is MISSING in the picture of the watch you’re nibbling on. So unless you can steal it ($25.00 or the equivalent), stay away from it!.
Well it is sitting at $22.00 at the moment with just a little time left.
 
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Well it is sitting at $22.00 at the moment with just a little time left.

The balance wheel is broken! other than the dead give away of it only running on its back looking at the photo the balance sections are misaligned with each other.

Not to mention nickel only case and no bow, $20 is to much.
 
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Here is a picture of the watch which has the movement I showed above. This one is in a gold filled hunter case which is not original to the movement, but it is in excellent condition. The watch you are considering likely has a broken balance staff, and the regulator arm is gone. By the time you source the part, replace the balance staff and possibly the mainspring, and clean it, you’ll have more in it than what it is worth! The movement looks tired! My watch is in excellent running order, with absolutely no repairs needed! If interested, PM me.

 
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Here is a picture of the watch which has the movement I showed above. This one is in a gold filled hunter case which is not original to the movement, but it is in excellent condition. The watch you are considering likely has a broken balance staff, and the regulator arm is gone. By the time you source the part, replace the balance staff and possibly the mainspring, and clean it, you’ll have more in it than what it is worth! The movement looks tired! My watch is in excellent running order, with absolutely no repairs needed! If interested, PM me.


Thats super nice, it may be a recase but that inscription is wonderful, why would a family dispose of such a treasure / heirloom.
Really like that 17 Jewel adjusted movement too!! I am quickly becoming a fan of single plate 18s movements. https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/10076478
 
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Thats super nice, it may be a recase but that inscription is wonderful, why would a family dispose of such a treasure / heirloom.
Really like that 17 Jewel adjusted movement too!! I am quickly becoming a fan of single plate 18s movements. https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/elgin/10076478

Circumstances change! The watch was awarded as a prize for a canoe club event that took place 121 years ago! If a generation is say 25 years, that is 5 generations ago! The fact that the movement is not original to that case means chances are the watch was rendered beyond repair at one time, and perhaps a family member decided to let it go! Who knows?
 
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Well it is sitting at $22.00 at the moment with just a little time left.

Also, silverode isn’t silver, it’s a nickle alloy. You’ll see silveroid a lot as well. Not silver.
 
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Did you say 18s single plate? These represents my collection from 1871 to 1917.

Oh my gosh they certainly are a stunning bunch!
You need individual hi res images of each, so much to appreciate and drool over.
 
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Oh my gosh they certainly are a stunning bunch!
You need individual hi res images of each, so much to appreciate and drool over.
Because my yard is mown and I have nothing better to do with my evening, your wish is my command.

An 1869 Elgin, Model 1, Chas. Fargo, 7J . This is my oldest American Watch. It runs but needs a good service.

An 1871 Illinois, Model 1, Hoyt, 9J. It was made within probably the first eighteen months of Illinois production. It runs but needs a service.

An 1874 Illinois, Model 1, Miller. This is a 15 J RR grade watch, and is my oldest railroad watch. It needs some work, as you can tell from the photo. Somewhere I have a couple of Model 1s stashed as parts donors.

An 1883 Illinois, Model 1, Grade 101, 11J. This one I picked up from our own @TexOmega awhile back. It runs but needs a service. It is my oldest watch that has damaskeening on the plates.

An 1887 Illinois, Model 1, grade 99, 11J. It needs some work, before it is a good runner again. It has damaskeening on the plates but is hard to see, partly due to lighting, but equally due to condition.

An 1887 Illinois, Model 2, Grade 5, 15J. This one is another RR grade watch and is an excellent runner. I wear it quite a bit and it still keeps railroad time after 137 years. To me, this watch is a testament to just how good Illinois was.

An 1897 Illinois, Model 6, Lakeside, 17J. Another RR watch that keeps excellent time.

A 1900 Illinois, Model 5, Bunn Special, 17J. RR grade. I really like the two tone wavy damaskeening on this watch, and I wish it was easier to photograph. It's in a display case because I have it's silver hunting case on my bench; I'm finally getting around to repairing a bent hinge.

A 1903 Hamilton, 940, 21J. This RR watch keeps an outstanding +1 sec/day, making it one of the most accurate watches I own. When I acquired it it was in a raggedy old case with a bow that kept falling off. I picked up a nice, serviceable nickel case off ebay for it and recased it.

A 1904 Illinois, Model 6, Bunn Special, 21J. Another RR grade watch that is in my regular rotation.

A 1917 Illinois, Model 6, grade 89, 17J. This is the watch that started it all for me. This was my great grandfather's watch that he bought while working for the railroad. Which is somewhat ironic, since it is not strictly speaking a railroad grade watch. I remember my dad wearing this watch when I was a little kid and wanting it so badly that he bought me a Westclox Scotty to sate my appetite for this Illinois. My dad gave it to me when I was a senior in high school. I wore it throughout college. It needs a service at the moment.

A 1917 Hamilton 946, 23J. This is the crown jewel of my pocket watch collection. Everything about this watch is superlative in every way. It runs every bit as good as it looks.
 
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Because my yard is mown and I have nothing better to do with my evening, your wish is my command.

An 1869 Elgin, Model 1, Chas. Fargo, 7J . This is my oldest American Watch. It runs but needs a good service.

An 1871 Illinois, Model 1, Hoyt, 9J. It was made within probably the first eighteen months of Illinois production. It runs but needs a service.

An 1874 Illinois, Model 1, Miller. This is a 15 J RR grade watch, and is my oldest railroad watch. It needs some work, as you can tell from the photo. Somewhere I have a couple of Model 1s stashed as parts donors.

An 1883 Illinois, Model 1, Grade 101, 11J. This one I picked up from our own @TexOmega awhile back. It runs but needs a service. It is my oldest watch that has damaskeening on the plates.

An 1887 Illinois, Model 1, grade 99, 11J. It needs some work, before it is a good runner again. It has damaskeening on the plates but is hard to see, partly due to lighting, but equally due to condition.

An 1887 Illinois, Model 2, Grade 5, 15J. This one is another RR grade watch and is an excellent runner. I wear it quite a bit and it still keeps railroad time after 137 years. To me, this watch is a testament to just how good Illinois was.

An 1897 Illinois, Model 6, Lakeside, 17J. Another RR watch that keeps excellent time.

A 1900 Illinois, Model 5, Bunn Special, 17J. RR grade. I really like the two tone wavy damaskeening on this watch, and I wish it was easier to photograph. It's in a display case because I have it's silver hunting case on my bench; I'm finally getting around to repairing a bent hinge.

A 1903 Hamilton, 940, 21J. This RR watch keeps an outstanding +1 sec/day, making it one of the most accurate watches I own. When I acquired it it was in a raggedy old case with a bow that kept falling off. I picked up a nice, serviceable nickel case off ebay for it and recased it.

A 1904 Illinois, Model 6, Bunn Special, 21J. Another RR grade watch that is in my regular rotation.

A 1917 Illinois, Model 6, grade 89, 17J. This is the watch that started it all for me. This was my great grandfather's watch that he bought while working for the railroad. Which is somewhat ironic, since it is not strictly speaking a railroad grade watch. I remember my dad wearing this watch when I was a little kid and wanting it so badly that he bought me a Westclox Scotty to sate my appetite for this Illinois. My dad gave it to me when I was a senior in high school. I wore it throughout college. It needs a service at the moment.

A 1917 Hamilton 946, 23J. This is the crown jewel of my pocket watch collection. Everything about this watch is superlative in every way. It runs every bit as good as it looks.

Outstanding! and that 946 superlative is the right word for it.
Thanks for that.
 
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I think the 946 may be at the apex of watchmaking. There are many watches out there that have amazing complications, and parlor tricks that the 946 lacks. I do not think there are many watches which can match the 946 for quality and timekeeping.
 
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If there was a competition for Mr. Universe, that’s what the lineup would look like! The usual name for this style of 18-size movement is full plate. Most American 18-size movements are full plate style where the balance wheel sits on top of the train bridge. This makes for a thicker movement. Two of my 18-size watches are of the design in which the balance wheel sits between the plates. Thus these movements tend to be a bit slimmer. The first one is an E. Howard size N which is not considered an 18-size, but the second one (the Elgin) is an 18-size. Waltham likewise produced movements of this design, as perhaps others may have.
 
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Solid Hamilton 974 circa 1922 for bus, interurban rail and trolley. Not RR grade.
Never serviced in my stewardship as indicated by the regulator position.

Handsome Montgomery dial
 
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Many parts of the Hamilton grade 974 are interchangeable with the railroad standard grade Hamilton 992. I am almost certain that a grade 974 with the replacement of a few specialized parts ( i. e. Double rather than single roller, pallets, escape wheel, conversion to lever set) would be capable of giving railroad standard performance.

https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/1683549
 
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In my latest perusal for a bargain, I present this Longines. This one make the cut on the bargain list at $130?
 
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Would be nice with a proper cleanup and service, snail regulator too but I suspect you are buying a name which in the watch collecting world goes a long way.
Add in the full service cost to the buy price and compare to nice ones sold.
 
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Would be nice with a proper cleanup and service, snail regulator too but I suspect you are buying a name which in the watch collecting world goes a long way.
Add in the full service cost to the buy price and compare to nice ones sold.
Thanks. Appreciated. Will do some digging. Just seemed on the cheaper side of things, but my eye isn’t what you guys have: exhibit 1, yesterday’s poor bargain bin candidate. (I did find a phenomenal Hamilton 992b for a steal a few months back though)
 
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I like it. A service and you'll have a great watch for not too much.
 
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In my latest perusal for a bargain, I present this Longines. This one make the cut on the bargain list at $130?



Appears to me it had water intrusion to movement and dial and someone did a harsh dial cleaning and chemically etched all metal. It didn't leave the factory this way.
 
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Appears to me it had water intrusion to movement and dial and someone did a harsh dial cleaning and chemically etched all metal. It didn't leave the factory this way.

I thought so too.

There are enough nice pocket watches around to wait and buy a good one. It’d have to be a pretty special watch if you wanted to buy a project watch