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UncleBuck
·Wonderful craftsmanship, but somehow the Masonic theme ruins it for me.
Same with the Mid-east and even the St. Christopher , my gut wants the art of the watch to be the showpiece, not a religious, political or secular statement in any way.
Crazy me even feels that way about an IBM retirement watch, Don't hang an advertisement or acknowledgement on a piece of artwork, regardless of the stature of the advertisement.
Same with the Mid-east and even the St. Christopher , my gut wants the art of the watch to be the showpiece, not a religious, political or secular statement in any way.
Crazy me even feels that way about an IBM retirement watch, Don't hang an advertisement or acknowledgement on a piece of artwork, regardless of the stature of the advertisement.
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TexOmega
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Canuck
·My other grade 990, but this one has Hamilton's marginal minutes(Montgomery Dial) bought 25 years or so ago.
Came with this mid 1940's base metal case, but soon to be in a Hamilton display case.
Circa 1911
Correct early Hamilton hands
16s 21j
RR grade and approved
The pocketwatchdatabase.com info on @TexOmega ‘s Hamilton.
990.https://pocketwatchdatabase.com/search/result/hamilton/793840
I just did a quick check on production figures for the Hamilton 992 which bears a strong resemblance to the 990. One outstanding difference between the two is that the grade 992 saw production of about 440,000, compared to the small production of the 990. The grade 990 appears to me to be an earlier grade than the 992, as well.
Suspicions confirmed. According to the Ehrhardt Hamilton book, the grade 990 was introduced circa 1903, and the 992 was introduced in 1912. There were several different versions of the 992 produced, and in total, there were a lot more 992s produced than are reported in the pocketwatchdatabase.com site. The 990 is not rare, but it is scarce.
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TexOmega
·Hamilton Watch Co.
Beautifully scripted dial font and numerals, so elegant.
16s RR grade 972 Model #1 Correct early era Hamilton hands(plum)
Circa 1902
Gorgeous Keystone Watchcase......GF, beaded bezel, coin edges, triple-hinged, engine turned.....WOW.
Pendant set.....Oh, you say, no way RR grade then(in the US). Well pendant set was universally accepted in this era, 1898 Rules said nothing about lever set. In fact, no mention about lever set as the standard till 1907-8 when the Rock Island RR mentions they would require a lever set function.
Beautifully scripted dial font and numerals, so elegant.
16s RR grade 972 Model #1 Correct early era Hamilton hands(plum)
Circa 1902
Gorgeous Keystone Watchcase......GF, beaded bezel, coin edges, triple-hinged, engine turned.....WOW.
Pendant set.....Oh, you say, no way RR grade then(in the US). Well pendant set was universally accepted in this era, 1898 Rules said nothing about lever set. In fact, no mention about lever set as the standard till 1907-8 when the Rock Island RR mentions they would require a lever set function.
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesHere are a couple more gathered in, one featured before and one just now being introduced.
I had picked up an Illinois A. Lincoln in need of help. It had a badly glued in yellowed plastic crystal and a dirty movement. It would run however. Its case looks like it was someone's well worn work watch. Railroad perhaps? More likely it served in the overalls of a farmer or rancher.
It enjoyed a service and a new glass crystal and is ready to go.
This Burlington was picked up summer of 2021 in an antique mall in the town where we moved. I drove down to see the house after Mrs. noelekal had already seen it. We hadn't even closed on the property at the time. It was posted here last summer. Here's the page showing the Burlington "before."
https://omegaforums.net/threads/calling-all-pocket-watch-buffs.127856/page-59#post-1835501
It badly needed a service and the original crystal was beat. It's back from service and with a new glass crystal it looks quite presentable.
I don't know if the Burlington watches were much used by railway companies.
I had picked up an Illinois A. Lincoln in need of help. It had a badly glued in yellowed plastic crystal and a dirty movement. It would run however. Its case looks like it was someone's well worn work watch. Railroad perhaps? More likely it served in the overalls of a farmer or rancher.
It enjoyed a service and a new glass crystal and is ready to go.
This Burlington was picked up summer of 2021 in an antique mall in the town where we moved. I drove down to see the house after Mrs. noelekal had already seen it. We hadn't even closed on the property at the time. It was posted here last summer. Here's the page showing the Burlington "before."
https://omegaforums.net/threads/calling-all-pocket-watch-buffs.127856/page-59#post-1835501
It badly needed a service and the original crystal was beat. It's back from service and with a new glass crystal it looks quite presentable.
I don't know if the Burlington watches were much used by railway companies.
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesTexOmega; You snuck in there and posted your neato Hamilton while I was fiddling with my photos.
That case is ... wow!
I love the beading and the reverse surface.
That case is ... wow!
I love the beading and the reverse surface.
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UncleBuck
·Hamilton Watch Co.
Beautifully scripted dial font and numerals, so elegant.
16s RR grade 972 Model #1 Correct early era Hamilton hands(plum)
Circa 1902
Gorgeous Keystone Watchcase......GF, beaded bezel, coin edges, triple-hinged, engine turned.....WOW.
Pendant set.....Oh, you say, no way RR grade then(in the US). Well pendant set was universally accepted in this era, 1898 Rules said nothing about lever set. In fact, no mention about lever set as the standard till 1907-8 when the Rock Island RR mentions they would require a lever set function.
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UncleBuck
·Bryan, don't be mad at a fellow statesman for sneakin' in there! YouTexicans are different folk anyways.
I have to wonder why porcelain dials were ever replaced by the fading, color changing, damaged painted dials? Maybe the incabloc shock absorption was a death blow to porcelain.
Anyway, to both of you, outstanding examples of the art at it's finest!
Do you pay export duties to ship from Tx to the US?
I have to wonder why porcelain dials were ever replaced by the fading, color changing, damaged painted dials? Maybe the incabloc shock absorption was a death blow to porcelain.
Anyway, to both of you, outstanding examples of the art at it's finest!
Do you pay export duties to ship from Tx to the US?
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TexOmega
·Here are a couple more gathered in, one featured before and one just now being introduced.
I had picked up an Illinois A. Lincoln in need of help. It had a badly glued in yellowed plastic crystal and a dirty movement. It would run however. Its case looks like it was someone's well worn work watch. Railroad perhaps? More likely it served in the overalls of a farmer or rancher.
It enjoyed a service and a new glass crystal and is ready to go.
This Burlington was picked up summer of 2021 in an antique mall in the town where we moved. I drove down to see the house after Mrs. noelekal had already seen it. We hadn't even closed on the property at the time. It was posted here last summer. Here's the page showing the Burlington "before."
https://omegaforums.net/threads/calling-all-pocket-watch-buffs.127856/page-59#post-1835501
It badly needed a service and the original crystal was beat. It's back from service and with a new glass crystal it looks quite presentable.
I don't know if the Burlington watches were much used by railway companies.
That A. Lincoln is nice, and the case is very special. Not many of these "Substitute" cases are to be seen...so called by Hamilton when they issued these in the late 1940's for a very short period of time.
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Canuck
·Hamilton Watch Co.
Beautifully scripted dial font and numerals, so elegant.
16s RR grade 972 Model #1 Correct early era Hamilton hands(plum)
Circa 1902
Gorgeous Keystone Watchcase......GF, beaded bezel, coin edges, triple-hinged, engine turned.....WOW.
Pendant set.....Oh, you say, no way RR grade then(in the US). Well pendant set was universally accepted in this era, 1898 Rules said nothing about lever set. In fact, no mention about lever set as the standard till 1907-8 when the Rock Island RR mentions they would require a lever set function.
The pocketwatchdatabase.com listing specifies the 972 was made both in lever set and stem set. The 972 is listed as railroad approved, and it would seem the listing doesn’t discriminate re: the method of setting. Standards for railroad watches were left to interpretation by railroads. As recent as about 1910, the CPR in Canada was approving stem set, single roller 1883 Walthams, adjusted to 3 positions, 17-jewels. They also accepted stem set 1892 Waltham models. Rather than to subscribe to standards as laid down by (for example) Webb Ball, it seems railroads were free to set their own standards.
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TexOmega
·Yes, the later grade 972 were lever set or pendant set. The lever set were required on the US RR's after 1908. I'm sure there were grandfather clauses for a time certain like when a 16s were required over the 18s at some point in the US.
My example is an early pendant set 972, and a RR grade and RR approved in the US.
My example is an early pendant set 972, and a RR grade and RR approved in the US.
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noelekal
··Home For Wayward WatchesBryan, don't be mad at a fellow statesman for sneakin' in there! YouTexicans are different folk anyways.
I have to wonder why porcelain dials were ever replaced by the fading, color changing, damaged painted dials? Maybe the incabloc shock absorption was a death blow to porcelain.
Anyway, to both of you, outstanding examples of the art at it's finest!
Do you pay export duties to ship from Tx to the US?
I think that only Omega Forum members are awarded a special duty free exemption.
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Canuck
·Bryan, don't be mad at a fellow statesman for sneakin' in there! YouTexicans are different folk anyways.
I have to wonder why porcelain dials were ever replaced by the fading, color changing, damaged painted dials? Maybe the incabloc shock absorption was a death blow to porcelain.
Anyway, to both of you, outstanding examples of the art at it's finest!
Do you pay export duties to ship from Tx to the US?
The dials you call “porcelain” (an earthenware ceramic) are actually vitreous enamel (glass)! Vitreous enamel dials were costly to produce, partly because of a high spoilage rate. And the process was very labour intensive. As to “Incabloc” hastening the demise of the vitreous enamel dial? Vitreous enamel dials remained in use for decades after the introduction of Incabloc shock proofing. And the only American railroad approved watch that used Incabloc shock protection (of which I am aware) was the Ball 435 model railroad standard watch which were actually made by the Record Watch Co., a Swiss company.
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TexOmega
·If one needed an inexpensive 12s(could be a 10s), in the 1960-70’s, Bulova had you covered.
I think I paid $5 at some pawn shop 25-30 years ago.
Never opened it up, figured I probably warp the back.
Runs and fairly accurate over a 24-30 hour period. Close enough and nice to have as part of my collection. Gotta have a
contrast.
I think I paid $5 at some pawn shop 25-30 years ago.
Never opened it up, figured I probably warp the back.
Runs and fairly accurate over a 24-30 hour period. Close enough and nice to have as part of my collection. Gotta have a
contrast.
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··Kilt Owner, Beagle Parent, Omega CollectorThe old French piece on a stand I fashioned a long time ago, forgot all about it until I was having a tidy today,
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TexOmega
·Workingman's 992......the Hamilton 974
Model #1 17j Pendant set Circa 1905
Handsome private label double sunk dial with Roman numerals and a nicely scripted, "Millet and Stern"
Location: Lynn, Mass
Cool gold accents and screw heads on movement
Moon hands which were popular in this era.
Possibly a rose gold case, more rose than yellow to my eyes.
Model #1 17j Pendant set Circa 1905
Handsome private label double sunk dial with Roman numerals and a nicely scripted, "Millet and Stern"
Location: Lynn, Mass
Cool gold accents and screw heads on movement
Moon hands which were popular in this era.
Possibly a rose gold case, more rose than yellow to my eyes.
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··Yoda of YodelersWorkingman's 992......the Hamilton 974
Model #1 17j Pendant set Circa 1905
Handsome private label double sunk dial with Roman numerals and a nicely scripted, "Millet and Stern"
Location: Lynn, Mass
Cool gold accents and screw heads on movement
Moon hands which were popular in this era.
Possibly a rose gold case, more rose than yellow to my eyes.
Those hands are cool!
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UncleBuck
·Beautiful watch, Tex, you have been an eye-opener with your amazing pocket watch collection!
I'm only upset that they didn't fashion a small lollipop for the seconds, lazy folks.
I'm only upset that they didn't fashion a small lollipop for the seconds, lazy folks.
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TexOmega
·Beautiful watch, Tex, you have been an eye-opener with your amazing pocket watch collection!
I'm only upset that they didn't fashion a small lollipop for the seconds, lazy folks.
yes, it would have been a cool look!
Much like my 1870 Crescent St. with matching Fleur-De-Lis hands I posted upstream, just so special.
And if you notice, it must have been a late Friday at the dial manufacturer.
