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Breitling Superocean second hand runs backwards when shaking rotor. What gives?

Cayohuesovespa
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I have a Breitling SuperOcean 42 that I have had for a couple years, it came to me as serviced and has always ran well within specs.
I went to set it this morning and when winding it, the crown turned "differently" it felt kind of clunky, not smooth as usual.
I gave it a quick turns to wind it, set the time and proceeded to make my kids' lunches and prepare for the day... and I soon noticed that the hands never moved.
I thought that was odd so i took it off and wound it again, (still seemed "off") and shook it around in circled like i do to give a quick wind, and I saw the second hand runs backwards a few seconds!! Under closer inspection, I then saw the second hand kind of "jitter" back and forth for a second then stop!
When i shake the rotor, it runs backwards. when the crown is pulled out, I cant hear/feel the rotor turning when I shake it.
It ran fine when put away a couple weeks ago. it wasn't dropped or anything.
I've worn this one all summer, it went to Italy with me, swimming, hiking, its been my spot on, die-hard, go-to watch.
What could have caused this to randomly just start doing this?
Obviously, this needs a service... watches are so frustrating... lol
I just noticed, in the photo of said POS: date is too high in the window too, not centered... I wonder if the movement clamps could have come loose? is that even a thing?

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Cayohuesovespa
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no one had any experience with this happening? gonna send it off for service i guess...
 
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If your car began to exhibit peculiar tendencies, would you research the internet, or take your car to a mechanic? I’d suggest the latter.
 
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If your car began to exhibit peculiar tendencies, would you research the internet, or take your car to a mechanic? I’d suggest the latter.
I could not disagree more, regarding your analogy to motoring issues I have personally saved a small fortune over the years solving multiple/various problems by researching and asking online before just blindly taking it to a mechanic where I could have been potentially charged £hundreds for needless parts and labour. Knowledge is power 🤡
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Yea, I sent it in this afternoon, I knew it would need it eventually anyway, its 12 years old.

I just like knowing WHY things happen, as I have dozens of autos and had many more over the last decade, and i have never seen this happen, i was hoping to get some feedback, I knew it would need to go to service.
unfortunately Nesbit's doesn't do Breitling's. they are my go-to service center for Omega and similar. off to the Breitling SC it goes.

I did some more digging and broken mainspring may have been the culprit. (i didn't open it).

Oh, i usually fix my own cars, mostly with youtube/forum advice myself... the sealers are hacks here.
 
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Eddie K Eddie K
With respect, I could not disagree more, regarding your analogy to motoring issues I have personally saved a small fortune over the years solving multiple/various problems by researching and asking online before just blindly taking it to a mechanic where I could have been potentially charged £hundreds for needless parts and labour. Knowledge is power 🤡

When you can plug your car into a computer and read the codes, then go to the internet with a particular code and identify the component(s) that have failed, then solicit solutions from others as to what needs to be done, asking for a diagnosis on some forum or other may make some sense! But diagnosing problems with troublesome watches doesn’t work that way! And there are many more people who’ll take a crack at fixing their own car than there are people who’ll take a crack at fixing their watch! Take a troublesome watch to a shop with a laundry list of what you think is the problem, and telling them how to go about fixing it will likely result in an invitation to get lost!
 
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When you can plug your car into a computer and read the codes, then go to the internet with a particular code and identify the component(s) that have failed, then solicit solutions from others as to what needs to be done, asking for a diagnosis on some forum or other may make some sense! But diagnosing problems with troublesome watches doesn’t work that way! And there are many more people who’ll take a crack at fixing their own car than there are people who’ll take a crack at fixing their watch! Take a troublesome watch to a shop with a laundry list of what you think is the problem, and telling them how to go about fixing it will likely result in an invitation to get lost!
You've obviously (IMO) misunderstood, you do you mate and enjoy spending your money 🍻
 
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Eddie K Eddie K
You've obviously (IMO) misunderstood, you do you mate and enjoy spending your money 🍻

You clearly have great difficulty expressing yourself. Go haunt a thread somewhere else!
 
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You clearly have great difficulty expressing yourself. Go haunt a thread somewhere else!
Nice one 👍 🍻
 
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Eddie K Eddie K
With respect, I could not disagree more, regarding your analogy to motoring issues I have personally saved a small fortune over the years solving multiple/various problems by researching and asking online before just blindly taking it to a mechanic where I could have been potentially charged £hundreds for needless parts and labour. Knowledge is power 🤡

Sometimes this procedure works with cars, sometimes not. In my case, I had a 2007 Mustang that would intermittently go into limp home mode, which was frustrating as hell. This was when it was well out of warranty, so I googled and replaced stuff recommended. Mass air flow sensor? Replaced. Throttle body? Cleaned, then replaced. Finally, after spending about $500 on parts that didn’t solve the problem, I took to my trusted mechanic and they had it for a few days. Could reproduce the problem, but could not diagnose it because none of the sensors indicated by the computer were bad when they checked the voltages and resistance. They waived the diagnostic fees because I was a good customer and they couldn’t fix it, and they recommended the dealership.

So I went, reluctantly. They had the car for nearly two months — did the parts cannon approach (including two separate computer modules), but the problem came back a few hours later. They finally started testing the electric system based on the repair manual and found the problem right away — a bad solder in one of the fuse boxes. They replaced the fuse box, tested for a few days, and the problem was fixed.

I was afraid they were going to charge me for a lot of parts I didn’t need and labor, but they did right by me — only the labor and parts for the fuse box AND they left a lot of parts in at no charge (including one of the computer modules) because it would be too much effort to remove them AND they screwed up by not diagnosing the problem the way the manual instructed.

So, in short, Google isn’t always right, and you need to consult an expert.
 
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Sometimes this procedure works with cars, sometimes not. In my case, I had a 2007 Mustang that would intermittently go into limp home mode, which was frustrating as hell. This was when it was well out of warranty, so I googled and replaced stuff recommended. Mass air flow sensor? Replaced. Throttle body? Cleaned, then replaced. Finally, after spending about $500 on parts that didn’t solve the problem, I took to my trusted mechanic and they had it for a few days. Could reproduce the problem, but could not diagnose it because none of the sensors indicated by the computer were bad when they checked the voltages and resistance. They waived the diagnostic fees because I was a good customer and they couldn’t fix it, and they recommended the dealership.

So I went, reluctantly. They had the car for nearly two months — did the parts cannon approach (including two separate computer modules), but the problem came back a few hours later. They finally started testing the electric system based on the repair manual and found the problem right away — a bad solder in one of the fuse boxes. They replaced the fuse box, tested for a few days, and the problem was fixed.

I was afraid they were going to charge me for a lot of parts I didn’t need and labor, but they did right by me — only the labor and parts for the fuse box AND they left a lot of parts in at no charge (including one of the computer modules) because it would be too much effort to remove them AND they screwed up by not diagnosing the problem the way the manual instructed.

So, in short, Google isn’t always right, and you need to consult an expert
 
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Your gear train is locked up somewhere. You wind it, it puts additional stress on everything. Accept that it needs serviced and stop winding it. Send it off to a qualified watchmaker.
 
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Seems the thread has been hijacked!
FIFY and Yes, by both you and @Eddie K

::deadhorse::
Maybe you both let this thread get back on track now…
 
Cayohuesovespa
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Knowing that it was going to service, I only asked so maybe if I did something specific to it myself, or it was a common problem with this breitling movement was the case.
I am always in search of why things happen. Ultimately, the solution was for the watch to go back to breitling. I just like to know what would have caused this. It wasn't dropped, and although this is a daily beater, I don't abuse it. Once I realize something was wrong with it, I stopped trying to wind it, worrying that I would do more damage.
I figured this was an appropriate forum to post such a thing as we are all watch enthusiasts, regardless of the outcome...
I think bickering on internet forums is common lately and likely due to difference in opinions and the lack of coffee in the morning. Lol.

I'll continue to diagnose my 2020 minivan with my store bought OBD computer but likely most of the fixes will be done by the dealer as nearly impossible for me to work on newer vehicles without specialized tools... Unlike most of my vehicles, that I worked on myself over the 3+ decades of car ownership. In my experience knowing what the problem is can definitely save you some money at the dealer as the dealers around here are as clueless as the amateur watchmakers. 🤪🙄😃👍.
Cheers yinz guys. Happy hump day.
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