first of all, thank you for adding me to this forum community. looking for ward to some nice exchange of information.

Recently I bought a 105.002 as well as the last version of the book "Moon watch only". What a great book and full of detailed information. Although, I was quite sure what I'm doing, I kept searching the internet regarding some specific information. This was related to the correct hands on my watch, which are Baton hands. The book clearly states the following: "At the end of its production in 1964, the 105.002 was given.....and baton hands.....This version is very rare and concerns only models with serial in 20.52 millions, produced in 1964....". This was quite encouraging, however there are many folks out there, who are still stating that the 105.002 should have Alpha hands instead of the Baton ones. Moreover some people say that the production of the 105.002 ended in 1963 instead of 1964.
So I was thinking, to give it a try and ask for an excerpt of the Archives from Omega, but they refused with the following statement: "...due to the nature of vintage archives in certain cases information has not survived, is unreadable or even missing....the provided serial number 20.525.xxx falls onto that category...." I was hoping to get an information about
- year of production
- where it has been shipped (since the movement has the OXG mark on it)
unfortunately no luck so far.

So here come the questions:
1. Baton hands: what 105.002 have been equipped with Baton hands when leaving the factory?
2. Year of production: for how long were 105.002 produced?
3. What year does the serial number fit into? Does anybody here in the community have a number close to mine?
4. The OXG means the watch is an watch being imported to the US. It was done by Norman Morris. Anybody here who knows how to find out more about the watch and it's history?

Looking forward to hear something for you. Appreciate your help.

Thank you
Markus

 

OXG means the watch was imported into the USA. The refusal to issue an extract is not a good sign. It can of course mean what it says: the information is missing, it can also mean that the movement and case didn't start life together. Others can comment on whether a 105.002 falls into the extract serial black hole that earlier models like the 2915 and some 2998s do. Speedmaster101 does list that serial as within range for the 105.002-62 but also the 105.003-63.

 

I have always heard the same thing about the baton hands coming on the later 105.002's. I don't believe you have anything to worry about there. I don't know the production dates, but i do know it was not very long.

 

Congrats on your purchase, any pics you’d like to share of your new watch?

 

Hey Markus

Welcome. Thats a whopping Speedy! Is it your first?

That's the nature of the archives. Most folk with such old Speedies get this message. I did too, until I showed them my watch. I would not worry too much about it.

Approximately a year.

Who can honestly say? You answered this question in your OP (i.e. MWO authors state the tail end of production, which yours appears to be according to the SN).

Look at the tables here, more specifically Table B :

http://www.moonwatchonly.com/omega-...view-of-the-speedmaster-moonwatch-production/

If you would like a prediction, enter your serial number here : ilovemyspeedmaster.com (it uses the above tables).

I have another question for you : is the rehaut on your watch silver or black? If you don't know what that is, its the ring between the crystal and the dial.

Please post a pic

 

Hey Markus,

welcome! I had the same problem with my 105.003 -63, SN 20.522.xx. Ask again if they have any info (via mail). Sometimes they give you more information -in my case, date of production.

And dude,...we love pics here!

Good Luck, Nico

 

Congratulation, this reference is very interesting due to the little production and the detail of the hands.
I have one, I bought it to the first owner he worked on a petrol station in the year 60-70.
I asked some archive and I receive an automatic answer that they do not have.
Mine is serial 198.... and it have Alfa hands.

 

pics or it doesn´t exist

 

From my own personal experience, 20525xxx is spot on correct for the 105.002-62. I believe that these are the later issued of the reference and were the first Speedies with baton hands. Under 20xxxxxx finds the earliest 105.002-62 with alpha hands. FWIW, there are 105.003-63 examples with movement numbers which preceded 20525xxx.

 

Pictures speak a lot....

 

Pictures ?

 

If it is your first speedy, nice work!!

Can't wait to see the pics!

 

Holy, I'm deeply impressed about all the feedback! Thank you so much! Pictures....of course PICTURES! Not very good ones but at least you can see, it's true

My Best
Markus

 

Very Nice condition !

 

Well done...105.002 as a first Speedy is really something. And not just a 105.002 ... a beautiful one in great condition Most of us would certainly love to hear the story of how this came to be. Did you know what you were looking at? Ghosting-on-the-outside bezel ... and its got an asymmetric clutch bridge, totally correct from 1964. And because nobody has yet : dibs.

WIGH.

 

Can somebody explain why the OPs watch has the engraving "adjusted two 2 positions" next to the serial number
for a Speedy novice ? Thanks

 

US market apparently. You will also see OXG there. No, I’m still a newb, but google is my friend

https://omegaforums.net/threads/omega-321-adjusted-two-2-positions.10052/

 

thank you so much, very appriciated