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  1. Fost Dec 21, 2017

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    Hi

    There is more and more dangerous things in the vintage watch world. My only advise is to check, double check and check again because sometimes everything looks fine...

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    Then... You discover and old sales of the same Watch few years back...

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    Just in time before it is too late...

    There is plenty of this type of doctored watch now but first time for me to be so close to loose a huge pile of cash...
     
  2. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Dec 21, 2017

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    Thanks for sharing that. Really a good thing you were able to avoid the trap.
     
  3. WYO_Watch Dec 21, 2017

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    I guess I am a little confused what was changed? I am assuming the movement was pulled out of a different case?

    Looks the the number on the lugs is not the same between the watches - one has 29 stamped and the other 63.
     
  4. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Dec 21, 2017

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    It is a sloppy put together job ... a franken. Hey @Fost how’s about a dial shot?
     
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  5. Fost Dec 21, 2017

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    The number were regraved...


    And some fake papers added to the package ((not shown on this post)
     
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  6. Fost Dec 21, 2017

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    The face is easy to find with the information above :D
     
  7. MaiLollo Dec 21, 2017

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    Nice that you're doing a "coming out". These stories need to be shared, so we know who can/can't be trusted ;)
     
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  8. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Dec 21, 2017

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    Invaluable.com ... I’ve stumbled on them before and got an uncomfortable feeling. Just searching the site agin is frustrating.
     
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  9. Fost Dec 22, 2017

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    Be careful, invaluable describe the watch honestly. They clearly show the different number between case and a caseback. The problem is someone bought the watch from invaluable and then regraved the lugs and add some fake papers before selling it to someone else...
     
  10. Dre Dec 22, 2017

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  12. Dre Dec 22, 2017

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    Most likely, note how the 63 has been covered. I don't see any reason on how anyone, especially a dealer, would cover those numbers. Maybe this is prior re-engraving.

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    Retouched indeed
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  13. Fost Dec 22, 2017

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    Yes sure, but this was retouched also?
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  14. MaiLollo Dec 22, 2017

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    It's crazy to me how this market is full of POS who will go to great lengths to deceive others. The worst is that it's partly "our fault", we constantly look for perfection in everything, whilst most of the times it's just impossible...
     
  15. Larry S Color Commentator for the Hyperbole. Dec 22, 2017

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    I honestly don’t think I have a clear pic of all the malfeasance alleged here. Clearly though there is enough dissonance on a 17k watch to warrant backing away.
     
  16. MaiLollo Dec 22, 2017

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    The guy bought at auction a watch with a serial number. He tried to sell it as a full set to @Fost with another serial number...
    Obviously, there was no disclosure about this.
     
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  17. Syrte MWR Tech Support Dept Dec 22, 2017

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    And that is because prices have become insane. When you look at the history of on line watch forums, old timers often speak with nostalgia about the times 10-15 years ago when watches were much cheaper and the discussions were all about learning and discovery of certain models, history, functions.
    Now we spend at least half the time in endless arguments about minutia, redials, case polishing and whether the counterpoise on the seconds should be oval or not— and that’s because prices and authenticity have become such a problem. Only once in a while, and mostly with Universal Geneve it seems, do we see discussions about unknown watches emerging. They are quite fascinating.
     
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