Are you smarter then a 5 year old... I mean an FB group?

Foo2rama · Jul 10, 2020

So this watch has thoroughly stumped a FB vintage Speedmaster group...

I also told them what it is, and they are telling me I am wrong...

Can you tell what it is?

airansun · Jul 10, 2020

A problem for sure.

What’s up with that dial? It hurts my eyes. That’s not just a service dial.

But, I don’t see any other big issues.

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Seaborg · Jul 10, 2020

Looks like a 90's era dial on which a fancy pseudo metal logo was glued.

Foo2rama · Jul 10, 2020

I have a slightly different conclusion... but @Seaborg the FB group is focusing on that and drawing weird conclusions IMHO

BatDad · Jul 10, 2020

A 105.012 22M serial - correct for a 65 it would seem

Was this sent to Bienne in the 90s for a service....

abrod520 · Jul 10, 2020

Almost certainly a complete put-together with a 3590 dial that's had an Omega logo glued to it.

22m movements could have been in 105.012s, in the -63 or -64 but those are too rare for this to pass Occam's razor.

Foo2rama · Jul 10, 2020

abrod520
Almost certainly a complete put-together with a 3590 dial that's had an Omega logo glued to it.

22m movements could have been in 105.012s, in the -63 or -64 but those are too rare for this to pass Occam's razor.

I am torn between that and a service dial... That is not the conclusion they are coming to though.

dscoogs · Jul 10, 2020

Perhaps a 105.012 with a service dial - https://speedmaster101.com/blog/calibre-321-service-dials/ ?

pdxleaf · Jul 10, 2020

I'll play. Only way to learn. This is based on what I think i see in the pictures.

Dial looks like a 145.022-76 that was relumed. Can't see a step and the dial seems to have a dome, not flat.
Has wide Ts, which the 105.012 65 could have either. Short plots.

A spear is correct for 105.012 65 chrono. The chrono spear is nicer than the hands so they don't seem to match.

The serial number matches the case model per ilovemyspeedmaster.com (although the number 6 looks wonky, probably picture). Can't tell the difference between seamaster and speedmaster 321 anyway so the movement seems okay and matches case back, assuming it's double bevel.

Don't have much experience with DON bezels. I think the number 1 in the 130 and 140 have little tails in the original bezels. Hard to see them in the pics. Has nicks but I would ask for a second opinion on the bezel since i am inexperienced but suspect.

I am prepared to take my medicine now. Looking forward to the answer.

abrod520 · Jul 10, 2020

Foo2rama
I am torn between that and a service dial... That is not the conclusion they are coming to though.

Don't most of the AML service dials still have the medium-S font though?

Foo2rama · Jul 10, 2020

abrod520
Don't most of the AML service dials still have the medium-S font though?

Who knows... I have seen so many variations at this point I just assume service dial. At the end of the day service dial or someone sticking an AML on a later dial and then making it fit a 321, would lead to the same price. Looking at the dial back would clear that up.

@pdxleaf That is not even close to either 145.022-76 dial variations. The Speedmaster font is early 90's or so.

pdxleaf · Jul 10, 2020

Foo2rama
@pdxleaf That is not even close to either 145.022-76 dial variations. The Speedmaster font is early 90's or so.

Ouch!

gdupree · Jul 10, 2020

Idk but I hate it... That’s a FOIS AML, no? How can it be anything but a 90’s dial with a FOIS AML stuck on it?

Foo2rama · Jul 10, 2020

pdxleaf
Ouch!

I didn't mean to be harsh.. sorry. I was trying to do too many things at once. I was having a firewall setup issue on a cloud server I was setting up and took a break, while I was writing that post the solution came to me.

Foo2rama · Jul 10, 2020

gdupree
Idk but I hate it... That’s a FOIS AML, no? How can it be anything but a 90’s dial with a FOIS AML stuck on it?

Its on a 321...

gdupree · Jul 10, 2020

Foo2rama
Its on a 321...

Have they not been modified before? I know usually the other way around since the 321 needs longer feet, but it seems someone is into modding, so... seems well plausible to me. I can’t think of a more plausible option so that’s my guess. What do you think it could be?

pdxleaf · Jul 10, 2020

Foo2rama
I didn't mean to be harsh.. sorry. I was trying to do too many things at once. I was having a firewall setup issue on a cloud server I was setting up and took a break, while I was writing that post the solution came to me.

Really, no explanation needed. I am new but sufficiently seasoned to know that the OF is just good-natured and sometimes high-spirited people with common interests. I am only sorry that you felt the need to explain.

Now get back to work and stop goofing off.

gbesq · Jul 10, 2020

A bloody mess, right? What do I win? 😀

abrod520 · Jul 10, 2020

gdupree
Idk but I hate it... That’s a FOIS AML, no? How can it be anything but a 90’s dial with a FOIS AML stuck on it?

nah it's got T markings and "Professional" unless you mean just the metal logo itself. I don't think the logo itself is off a FOIS either though, the feet on the FOIS logo are straight whereas this one curves upward like the old logo.

As to the dial feet, the heat required to solder additions on to the feet can often melt the paint, or more of the dial than just the feet, so it's not often done. Chances are this one has had its feet cut, then it's been stuck to the movement with an adhesive.

gdupree · Jul 10, 2020

abrod520
nah it's got T markings and "Professional" unless you mean just the metal logo itself. I don't think the logo itself is off a FOIS either though, the feet on the FOIS logo are straight whereas this one curves upward like the old logo.

As to the dial feet, the heat required to solder additions on to the feet can often melt the paint, or more of the dial than just the feet, so it's not often done. Chances are this one has had its feet cut, then it's been stuck to the movement with an adhesive.

You’re right, it is different than the FOIS AML Now that I look. I did mean just reapplying the FOIS logo itself on a 90’s dial and sticking it on. I’m stumped then on where the AML comes from then.