Anyone else get the US tax email from PayPal?

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Filled out that I’m not a US citizen, but anyone with over $600 in sales have to declare.

said something around 24% will be deducted for taxes

I just had to state where I live and don’t own a business in the US
 
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Do you reside in the USA?
 
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This should explain it all to you in excruciating detail:

https://www.paypal.com/ad/cshelp/ar...payers---irs-internal-revenue-service-help936

What you need to do is to fill out a Certificate of Foreign Status (IRS Form W-8-BEN for an individual) and give it to PayPal every 3 years. That will exempt you from backup withholding.

It would probably be best to have your accountant assist you with this form, if they are familiar with it or if you will be claiming exemption from withholding due to the U.S./Canada tax treaty.

Good luck!
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This seems to go beyond simply issuing a 1099. They're actually withholding funds.
 
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Do you reside in the USA?

No, but I have a bank account in the US and only accept payments in US funds
 
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This seems to go beyond simply issuing a 1099. They're actually withholding funds.

They withhold taxes ONLY if you don't supply them with the SSN or Tax ID number. If you provide them with those, then they will send the 1099 and you are supposed to do it with your taxes -- and then, if you have kept your appropriate documentation from the original purchase, you are only expected to be taxed on any profit. This was implemented several years ago. But the actual requirement torpor this to the IRS and for the vendors (eBay, Venmo, PayPal, etc) to send the 1099-Ks has kept slipping. It was supposed to be two years ago, then last year, and it has slipped again until next year. They old standard of $20k in sales (or whatever the higher threshold was before the rule change) is still in place.
 
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If you buy watches, you possibly have to deal with sales tax, use tax, VAT, customs duty, auction house fees, shipping fees, customs brokerage fees, service costs and scammers or sellers who may misrepresent what they are selling . If you sell, you possibly have to deal with capital gains taxes, income tax, shipping fees, insurance costs, sales commissions, scammers and non-paying buyers and now backup withholding. Just holding on to your collection, admiring it, and wearing your watches seems to be the way to go.
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They withhold taxes ONLY if you don't supply them with the SSN or Tax ID number. If you provide them with those, then they will send the 1099 and you are supposed to do it with your taxes -- and then, if you have kept your appropriate documentation from the original purchase, you are only expected to be taxed on any profit. This was implemented several years ago. But the actual requirement torpor this to the IRS and for the vendors (eBay, Venmo, PayPal, etc) to send the 1099-Ks has kept slipping. It was supposed to be two years ago, then last year, and it has slipped again until next year. They old standard of $20k in sales (or whatever the higher threshold was before the rule change) is still in place.

I'm aware the implementation date has been postponed several times. In the years leading up to it, I never once saw a notice from PayPal (or others) that they would be holding back any funds. I closed my PayPal account years ago and stopped paying attention so I'm sure I just missed it. I was remarking at the stark difference between how I understood it would work and how it seems to be playing out. My accountant family recommended if I were to continue using PayPal that I should track down and keep all receipts and be able to constructively show what was profit and what wasn't in order to have any hope of not paying income tax on any PayPal earnings. This seems contrary to what one of my idiot senators told me which was this was a good thing because it will lower the paperwork burden for people. For casual hobbyists, it's more of a pain..
 
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The auction houses operating in the US require complete compliance with current laws which have been tightened up in the last couple of years. Every consignor has to provide their particular information, US citizens or US residents have to provide their taxpayer identification number and fill out Form W-9, non-residents have to declare their status on Form W-8BEN. This is so you can prepare your US tax return for the following year and pay the appropriate taxes on your 'investments' that you sold at a profit. Remember, this is just the government making sure the wealthy pay their 'fair share'.
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They withhold taxes ONLY if you don't supply them with the SSN or Tax ID number. If you provide them with those, then they will send the 1099 and you are supposed to do it with your taxes -- and then, if you have kept your appropriate documentation from the original purchase, you are only expected to be taxed on any profit. This was implemented several years ago. But the actual requirement torpor this to the IRS and for the vendors (eBay, Venmo, PayPal, etc) to send the 1099-Ks has kept slipping. It was supposed to be two years ago, then last year, and it has slipped again until next year. They old standard of $20k in sales (or whatever the higher threshold was before the rule change) is still in place.
This is simply incorrect when it comes to US taxation of foreigners who do not have a place of residence or a business located in the U.S.

The 1099K forms are for domestic sales only. If you are a non-resident selling outside the U.S. there should be no withholding against U.S. tax due, because the U.S. doesn’t tax these transactions.

However @DON has a different issue here. He is maintaining a U.S. bank account to collect on his sales to US people. That is why I suggested he discuss this with his accountant. The way PayPal sees it, he is conducting a business within the U.S. that needs to be registered to avoid the 24% backup withholding.

There may be provisions (this is not my area of expertise) in the tax treaty that exempt this activity from U.S. withholding, but it’s going to require that the proper forms be filed and filled out correctly to qualify for any exemption. I’m sure there are firms in Canada that deal with this every day. My firm also handles this sort of thing, but it’s just not me doing it.

Hope this helps,
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This is simply incorrect when it comes to US taxation of foreigners who do not have a place of residence or a business located in the U.S.

The 1099K forms are for domestic sales only. If you are a non-resident selling outside the U.S. there should be no withholding against U.S. tax due, because the U.S. doesn’t tax these transactions.

However @DON has a different issue here. He is maintaining a U.S. bank account to collect on his sales to US people. That is why I suggested he discuss this with his accountant. The way PayPal sees it, he is conducting a business within the U.S. that needs to be registered to avoid the 24% backup withholding.

There may be provisions (this is not my area of expertise) in the tax treaty that exempt this activity from U.S. withholding, but it’s going to require that the proper forms be filed and filled out correctly to qualify for any exemption. I’m sure there are firms in Canada that deal with this every day. My firm also handles this sort of thing, but it’s just not me doing it.

Hope this helps,
gatorcpa

While I have a US bank account (in cooperation with my Canadian bank). My business is in Canada, so I'm not collecting any taxes off US or any countries sales.

It's why I listed my residence as Canada and I don't own a US company

Wait and see
 
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If you buy watches, you possibly have to deal with sales tax, use tax, VAT, customs duty, auction house fees, shipping fees, customs brokerage fees, service costs and scammers or sellers who may misrepresent what they are selling . If you sell, you possibly have to deal with capital gains taxes, income tax, shipping fees, insurance costs, sales commissions, scammers and non-paying buyers and now backup withholding. Just holding on to your collection, admiring it, and wearing your watches seems to be the way to go.

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While I have a US bank account (in cooperation with my Canadian bank). My business is in Canada, so I'm not collecting any taxes off US or any countries sales.

It's why I listed my residence as Canada and I don't own a US company

Wait and see

Is this a US dollar account at your Canadian bank, or an actual account at a US branch of a US bank?

If it's the latter, I'm curious what purpose this serves for your business.