Any concerns with this 2852?

I’ve always loved the look of the arrowhead markers on this era of Constellation, but admittedly I don’t know them as well as I should. A couple questions here:

1. Any glaring issues? The movement looks a bit tired, and the case has clearly seen some polishing

2. It’s hard to tell with the black dial, but would this reference be a pie pan or dome dial?

thanks as always for the expertise!

looks like an honest watch to me.

Outside of the caseback isn’t great. Missing a couple stars from polishing.

The dial… I have mixed feelings about, as photographs tend to skew reality. I’ve seen dials in photos that look terrible in person, and vice versa. I do appreciate that the seller took what appears to be honest pictures of the dial. But I agree that it looks a little too far gone for my tastes.

yeah, if the movement is too far gone for resurrection through a servicing, that would be a hard pass from me. Good call on the missing gasket, I didn’t catch that.

I guess I’ll keep looking. Finding the “right” one isn’t getting any easier!

I too like arrowheads indices 👍 Nice looking watch.

Not an expert because am still learning.
To my believe of neophyte in case of gold letterings on ‘gilt’ black dial golden wordings are printed directly on brass dial base then black ink is applied over gold letterings - sorry for my approximative English 😀
@Poday please inspect this aspect of print process. On dial you posted gold wordings to me seem raised above glossy black paint.
For my education please affirm or refute me. Thanks in advance

PS: Below is an illustration of what I described above although my pic of gilt is a Seamaster one and sorry for low quality photo.

I believe you’re correct, though it’s hard to tell in the photos. I think the dial is correct, just aged.

For a black dial with arrowheads, the dial (assuming original, and I think it is) is actually in pretty good condition. These are not easy to find (none on a quick search on eBay, and two on Chrono24). While the other criticisms are legit, I still think this is worth pursuing, at the right price. Less than $1k is a pipe dream. IMHO, this one would bring at least $1500 at auction despite to condition issues.

Since this is a watch that I have for sale I will just include the full description below with summary points here: Original gilt pie pan arrow head dial, 2852, polished case, and movement, although "tired" (potentially from harsh cleaning) is keeping time within 4 seconds per day according to my timing which was conducted over 24 hrs. I have it listed at 2.5k on other FS platforms but would be open to offers. Although I respect @MtV opinon greatly I think finding an original gilt pie pan cross hair arrow head 2852 for sub 1k is difficult to say the least.

I have included photos and description below to further the discussion on this watch - not to make a FS post. I encourage discussion and those who know me know very well that I am very open to constructive critism as I am always constantly looking to learn. If this FS post is off base, wrong, mispriced I am open.





ABOUT THIS WATCH:

MANUFACTURER: Omega

MODEL: Constellation

REFERENCE: 2852

SERIAL: 16xxxxx

YEAR: 1958

CASE: The previously polished 35mm yellow gold cap over steel case is in good shape. It still retains its original omega signed crystal. The case presents with light wear throughout commensurate with age. There are some markings on the caseback from someone attempting to open the watch while not using the proper tools. The gold observatory medallion has been polished with 3 stars still distinctly visible. The medallion and gold capped lugs/bezel have taken on a charming, vintage, rozy patina in certain areas. The case is complete with an authentic clover omega crown. There is debate among collectors on whether this reference came with a clover crown or only the more common decagonal crown.

DIAL: Uncommon, non-luminous, original, gilt, pie-pan, crosshair dial in the most desirable applied arrowhead hour marker configuration. Its in great shape with even gold specking across the dial that can be more or less noticeable depending on the lighting situation or the viewing angle. It is completed by matching, original non-luminous dauphine hands.

MOVEMENT: Omega automatic caliber 505 chronometer certified. Automatic self winding. 24 jewels, 19800 frequency, 46hr power reserve. Service history is unknown. The watch winds, sets and runs. It was timed over 24hours. The 24 hours included periods of wear and non-wear. Over those 24hours the watch gained 4 seconds.