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Another Connie (551/14381 61 SC) for your assessment

Adziu
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Hi All,

I have found a nice listing on Omega Constellation Cal. 551, ref. 14381 61 SC. What do you think about it?
I particularly wanted to find out what you think about the dial.
I like the fact that the Seller did not overpolish the bezel - overall he seems to be really trustworthy so I actually look forward to the purchase. Thanks!

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JohnSteed
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Dial seems ok .... But ... Having been through a few Connies myself I'd prefer to see some (more) stars on the caseback.
 
Fritz
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I see "T"s on the dial, but no lume.... also the gold seems to extend off the lugs onto the case, as if the whole case was plated but the plate was polished off the body up to the lugs........suspicious stuff

never mind that polished to death back..... although the movement looks decent, it looks like its had a long hard life, unless its cheap I'd walk
 
christhomas
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I think you and I must have different views on polishing because to me the bezel and lugs have been fairly heavily worn/polished.

Also I believe that The T's should not appear on a 1961 watch
 
Adziu
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christhomas christhomas
I think you and I must have different views on polishing because to me the bezel and lugs have been fairly heavily worn/polished.

Also I believe that The T's should not appear on a 1961 watch

I guess I got excited about the fact that it's not that polished compared to other listings... 😉
Thanks for all the remarks. According to Omega site, this ref no. should refer to a pie-pan dial so this already caught my eye... And you're right about the stars ! Any other comments are welcome.
 
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Fritz Fritz
I see "T"s on the dial, but no lume....

Would there have been lume on the hands ?
 
cicindela
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Adziu Adziu
I guess I got excited about the fact that it's not that polished compared to other listings... 😉
Thanks for all the remarks. According to Omega site, this ref no. should refer to a pie-pan dial so this already caught my eye... And you're right about the stars ! Any other comments are welcome.
Remember the pictures on the Omega vintage site are not indicative of a specified dial, merely an example of one of the dials that may have be available

The watch was polished beyond death.
Dial is refinished.
 
oddboy
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who has a pic of a nice crisp one for the OP's education?
 
Adziu
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cicindela cicindela
Remember the pictures on the Omega vintage site are not indicative of a specified dial, merely an example of one of the dials that may have be available

Thanks, I'll keep that in mind.
 
cristos71
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This watch IMHO is a no go. Very overpolished, especially the bezel and case back. Wrong crown too.

Adziu Adziu
According to Omega site, this ref no. should refer to a pie-pan dial

The 14381 ref had both dome and piepan dials, if you found your info on the Omega site there are many discrepancies there.

Geordie Geordie
Would there have been lume on the hands ?

The OP´s watch has lume in both the hands and markers.

Here is a 14381 that I used to own, this one is solid gold with onyx markers. The bezel and case, although not perfect, are in much better shape and I would be looking for a watch in this kind of condition if I was in the market for a 14381 which are not so difficult to find.

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Fritz
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Geordie Geordie
Would there have been lume on the hands ?

I would assume there would be lume on the hands and the dial.
 
cimo
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It looks like there is lume on both the hands and dial but it may or may not be original. The watch appears to have undergone some treatment or another and it's possible they did a vintage style relume. Regardless the case back especially is a little too worn down for my tastes.
 
Peemacgee
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I can't see a redial from the fonts but agree the Ts are a bit odd for that period
(The lume is there)

EDIT: Oops - I've just looked at my own -fonts on OP watch have no serifs -nicely done though for a redial

should always trust the masters....

Agree with the rest has been said - you can definitely find better - just need patience

As for the @Christos watch - it is stunning

my gold faced version
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Fost
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Not that polished?
More polished than that would be a see through case back ...
 
ConElPueblo
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oddboy oddboy
who has a pic of a nice crisp one for the OP's education?

Here's mine, gold-capped as well:

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It's NOT on my wrist, but on L'American, as it hasn't yet cleared customs 🫨


cicindela cicindela
The watch was polished beyond death.
Dial is refinished.

I'll be honest and admit that apart from the "T's" on the dial, I can't really see anything wrong with it 😬
 
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
Here's mine, gold-capped as well:

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It's NOT on my wrist, but on L'American, as it hasn't yet cleared customs 🫨




I'll be honest and admit that apart from the "T's" on the dial, I can't really see anything wrong with it 😬
Look at the minute markers, then look at the minutes on yours, Peemcgee's and Cristos71
 
ConElPueblo
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cicindela cicindela
Look at the minute markers, then look at the minutes on yours, Peemcgee's and Cristos71

Not sure what you mean? I know that the markers are on mine have onyx inlay and that the one in the OP are luminescent - I was referring to "T SWISS MADE T" being out of place on a 1961 watch as mentioned a few times earlier.
 
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ConElPueblo ConElPueblo
Not sure what you mean? I know that the markers are on mine have onyx inlay and that the one in the OP are luminescent - I was referring to "T SWISS MADE T" being out of place on a 1961 watch as mentioned a few times earlier.
No, those are hour markers not minute. Look at the minute markers (black dashes)
 
ConElPueblo
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cicindela cicindela
No, those are hour markers not minute. Look at the minute markers (black dashes)

Minute markers, gotcha 😁
They are slightly longer/varying thickness? I don't think I'd pick up on that, especially if I hadn't seen close-up shots.

As no-one has posted a lumed dial, here's one I googled my way to:

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Adziu
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That's been educative.... now I'm sure I will look for your advice before I make my mind on buying any vintage Omega whatsoever 😉
And thanks for reference pictures, now I see how terrible the overpolish on caseback actually is.
 
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