Another Cartier-signed, LeCoultre-signed UG

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DirtyDozen12

·Jun 6, 2017

Below is lot 229 from Christie's "Rare Watches and American Icons" auction. To my eyes, the sub-dials look rather unsightly but I have not examined many other CarCousals. Here is the information: http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/...6037&sid=68764637-1534-4c1b-858d-2a46d192b6ce Any thoughts would be appreciated.

 

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Modest_Proposal

·Jun 6, 2017

How can that not be a redial? It must be a redial. Surely.

What do others think?

 

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jumpingsecond

·Jun 6, 2017

Modest_Proposal

How can that not be a redial? It must be a redial. Surely.

agree.

 

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Vitezi

·Jun 6, 2017

I like "CarCousel." 😀 These threads offer some insight into a UniCartoultre or a Jaegevetier:
https://omegaforums.net/threads/opi...al-285-lecoultre-cartier-and-universal.15000/
https://omegaforums.net/threads/rare-compax-model-chrono-made-for-cartier.13836/

 

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kingsrider

·Jun 6, 2017

It looks like two pieces of wet newspaper stuck together.

 

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LouS

·Jun 6, 2017·Mrs Nataf's Other Son

Has someone claimed that this is not a redial?

 

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Larry S

·Jun 6, 2017·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

So ugly it has to be legit? 😁

 

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aap

·Jun 7, 2017

LouS

Has someone claimed that this is not a redial?

You mean this is the real deal?

 

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MattF

·Jun 7, 2017

That dial is a joke

 

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Mark020

·Apr 16, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Another 'nice' one 🤨 Sold by Sothebys so it must be legit 🍿 https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auc...ecoultre-reference-7090-retailed-by-cartier-a
Serials are close 😎

 

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Larry S

·Apr 16, 2021·Color Commentator for the Hyperbole.

Never resolved ... I’d vote🤮

 

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Carlton-Browne

·Apr 16, 2021

How long has Ray Charles been working at Sothebys?

 

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DirtyDozen12

·Apr 16, 2021

What is really special about this example is the "screw-down case back" that was designed to look exactly like a snap-on case back.

 

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rolokr

·Apr 16, 2021

I'm not feeling the dial, even if original its pretty ugly ?

 

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Mark020

·Apr 16, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

The dials are intriguingly similar but it is IMHO impossible they ever remotely would have had a chance to pass Cartier quality control. Given the close serial and being the same reference I assume they are of the same batch. My conclusion is that this may have been a batch which was originally sold by Cartier but that by some kind of weird coincedence they were both redialled by the same, not overly talented, party.

Edited: Apr 16, 2021

 

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Mark020

·Apr 16, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

Here you go: https://omegaforums.net/threads/opi...al-285-lecoultre-cartier-and-universal.15000/

So we have:
750.287
750.295
750.315

All (poor) redials but also all 3 Cartier.

Edited: Apr 16, 2021

 

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Mark020

·Apr 16, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

And 269: https://watchcharts.com/listing/519...egister-model-285-chronograph-wristwatch-172m

 

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Mark020

·Apr 16, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

The German tank number approach suggests a total production of 75. Sounds sensible.

 

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Mark020

·Apr 16, 2021·not the sharpest pencil in the ΩF drawer

And another. Unfortunately no serial: https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2010/important-watches-ge1004/lot.181.html
Best dial so far.

 

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fibonacci

·Apr 16, 2021

Mark020

And another. Unfortunately no serial: https://www.sothebys.com/en/auctions/ecatalogue/2010/important-watches-ge1004/lot.181.html
Best dial so far.

Best dial but worst logo.