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Advices requested about Pre-Moon vintage speedie

cristos71
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I wouldn't touch that watch with a bargepole at the asking price of $7.5K!

If I was to buy a watch like this on the basis of parts value then I'd want to be paying at the very least 25-30% under that value to give myself some leeway/profit at a later date when I sell.

If I was to buy a watch like this to enjoy then I simply wouldn't bother as it would always raise unpleasant questions when strapped on the wrist
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The 105.012 pushers are generally press-fit, and 145.012 pushers are screw-in. There is a lot to learn.

FYI - Both press fit and screw in pushers are listed for the 105.012.
 
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FYI - Both press fit and screw in pushers are listed for the 105.012.

BTW, are both types listed for 105.003 too? I have one 105.003 with tapped pusher holes and always assumed it was a later mod, the pushers were new and of the regular later type.
 
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BTW, are both types listed for 105.003 too? I have one 105.003 with tapped pusher holes and always assumed it was a later mod, the pushers were new and of the regular later type.

Yes.
 
Dan S
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FYI - Both press fit and screw in pushers are listed for the 105.012.

Yeah, that's why I said "generally", but I could be wrong. Have you seen relatively equal numbers? Just based on my observations, I've seen a lot more push-ins. There was a time when I was looking for a pair, and I read all the threads where people described their own pushers and paid attention to the old parts that came to market.

Obviously the OP would be taking a chance, but all we can do is let him know about possible issues.
 
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Yes.

Thanks, good to know. My -63 has a mystery s/n (an attempt at having an extract came empty two years ago and was refunded), so I suspected possible heavy damage in the past and modification at some point.
 
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Yeah, that's why I said "generally",

I was just making a clarification...
 
Dan S
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I was just making a clarification...

Understood. And my question about whether you have seen relatively even numbers of press-fit and screw-in was sincere. I realize that you probably don't track this, but maybe you just have a general sense.
 
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Hi,
Just to confirm I heard your very sharp advices.
As you know, failing in the quest, can give you more energy...and sometimes luck.
Found a 105.012 ‘65 with EOA. DON is not as nice but aligned, and the watch is more clear, serviced crown and pushers. Maintained by STS in 2016 and a known seller.
1039 is an add-on option. As I would like to wear it in NATO or leather, would you advise me to add it, because hard to find no and in future ?
Price is similar for the head only. Thousand more with 1039...
Any advices ? All comments are welcome...
Seems to be in the good (better ?) way...
 
airansun
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I’m guessing the hands have been repainted and the bezel is only in fair condition to me (I’d want to replace it). Shame the back isn’t as nice as the midcase appears to be. Otherwise, it looks reasonable, depending on price.

If I were looking for a 105.012, I’d want the fat necked pushers. I’m less picky about crowns than pushers.

They’re sort of cute, to me anyway.
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airansun
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Oh, one last thing: if you’re going to buy a certain reference (of any watch), aim to buy a really nice one. If you can’t afford a really nice one, find a different reference to go after.

The worst mistakes I’ve made buying watches have all been trying to get in at the cheap end of things: those watches remind me, every time I look at them, of how flawed they are. Worse, many don’t hold their value so well and they are hardest to get rid of when you’re ready to move on.

With few exceptions, there are good reasons why the cheap vintage Speedmasters are cheap.
 
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Price is similar for the head only. Thousand more with 1039...

So you are saying $7500 USD for the watch only?
 
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Dan S Dan S
So you are saying $7500 USD for the watch only?
Price is 6800€ for head and 8000€ for 1039 combo.
 
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Price is 6800€ for head and 8000€ for 1039 combo.
Whoa, that's a bit salty.
I'm no expert on the minutiae, but that sounds like it's at the high end of the range.
Is the bracelet really worth that much?
 
Dan S
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Whoa, that's a bit salty.
I'm no expert on the minutiae, but that sounds like it's at the high end of the range.
Is the bracelet really worth that much?

By no means are those prices at the high end of the range. And the bracelet is certainly worth that much, if not a little more, if the end-links are authentic.
 
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By no means are those prices at the high end of the range. And the bracelet is certainly worth that much, if not a little more, if the end-links are authentic.

Indeed, on a bit of browsing of Chrono24, I am sobered and educated!

Still, for what appears to be, a bit of mix and max, it is perhaps a lot of money on the risk.
 
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If I am not wrong the 105.012-65 dials had close Ts
 
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One thing to add for the last watch shown is people expect to see single bevel case backs with the wide T dials. I am not saying this is correct, as I have seen other 105.012-65 in this configuration, but you may get questioned on the abnormally.
 
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Hi everybody,

Just to give you an update about this thread.
I finally bought the first presented watch after I asked an EOA. And it confirmed the 105.012 reference from June 1967 and movement 24.951.XXX. It confirmed mi opinion about the dial could be correct and made me thinking about a wrong (opportunity ?) caseback during a service. Hands and indices harmoniously lume.
It is a 105.012 HF ‘66.
Now I will hunt for a matching caseback...single beaveled.
I’ve read in this 66 HF Cases, pushers are screwed in and all the screw-in pushers are a bit taller than the usual 105.012 short & wide.
So, could this pushers be correct ? Would it be crazy trying to change something that could finally be original ?
What is your opinion about the pushers ?
Serviced ? Original ?
Is the omega part ref 086ST0007 correct ?
Are they different from the actual pushers ?

Thanks all for your help, advices and sharing your knowledge.
Best regards

Chris
 
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