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advice request on Seamaster DeVille black dial crosshair datum

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My father had a Seamaster Deville black dial crosshair & datum , but unfortunately it has been stolen years ago.
I'm just looking here and there to find a new one but I've seen a couple of them on Ebay in Usa only:

http://www.ebay.it/itm/271953105300?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
and from the same seller:
http://www.ebay.it/itm/271956059242?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT

I would like to buy in Europe because of the heavy custom/import taxes on goods coming from US.
I found this one in France without datum though...:
http://www.chrono24.it/omega/seamas...le--mod276.htm&models=276&manufacturerIds=187

advices and considerations on price are really welcome.
thanks a lot for your precious work and passion!
 
hoipolloi
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Both watches in the US have repainted dials not original.
Not so sure about the one on Chrono but the price is too high.
 
amirani
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thanks for your replies, they're helpful and hugely appreciated.
I think the US ones are pretty well re-done, but I'm more oriented to the Eu one for the reasons I said. What do you think it could be an appropriate price fro the Chrono one?
700€ maybe?
I was thinking to make an offer to the French guy...
 
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Sorry to hear about your father's watch being stolen.
amirani amirani
thanks for your replies, they're helpful and hugely appreciated.
I think the US ones are pretty well re-done, but I'm more oriented to the Eu one for the reasons I said. What do you think it could be an appropriate price fro the Chrono one?
700€ maybe?
I was thinking to make an offer to the French guy...

I am not sure either way on the chrono 24 watch whether the dial is original or repainted, it may be original otherwise one of the previous replies would probably have said so. You could always ask the seller. And I think most C24 sellers expect negotiation, so go ahead and try.
 
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Sorry to hear about your father's watch being stolen.


I am not sure either way on the chrono 24 watch whether the dial is original or repainted, it may be original otherwise one of the previous replies would probably have said so. You could always ask the seller. And I think most C24 sellers expect negotiation, so go ahead and try.
 
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Thanks a lot for your answer Shaun hk!
Along with the Seamaster, a Zenith Primero Chronometer and another Landeron Chronograph were stolen.
Sad story...
Anyway: yes! I'll ask the French guy if there's any possibility to negotiate the price and let's see what happens..
Actually I don't see much crosshair black dial around...
Thanks again!
 
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I haven't seen a non-repainted black crosshair dial for this watch style. It's either black non-crosshair or crosshair non-black. There are a few with black crosshair dial out there but all repainted/refinished.

The one on Chrono24 looks original, but it has an oily sheen that may not be able to be cleaned (or difficult to clean without damaging the dial) and may be annoying to look at, so watch out for it also.
 
amirani
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great advice indeed! I was thinking it was a photo problem, but actually the sheen is visible in more than one pic.
I'm writing to Montres Mania tomorrow asking about this problem.
as I already said I think the two Us auctions are featuring quite e good re-painted dials, what do you think?
Thanks a lot TNTwatch for your precious help!
 
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amirani amirani
great advice indeed! I was thinking it was a photo problem, but actually the sheen is visible in more than one pic.
I'm writing to Montres Mania tomorrow asking about this problem.
as I already said I think the two Us auctions are featuring quite e good re-painted dials, what do you think?
Thanks a lot TNTwatch for your precious help!
You're very welcome! Hope you can someday restore what were lost.

The repainted ones on eBay look nice, but are about 3-4 times the value that collectors would consider (which would be for parts only). Even for a non-collector's wearing, they're still too high since originals often come up for much less.
 
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I have the same oily sheen on an original black dial constellation and an original blue dial Tudor date-day. No idea what's caused it, I just consider it to be a form of vintage patina. It doesn't affect my enjoyment on the wrist....
(couple of the photos below courtesy of @Archer - if I'm honest I hadn't noticed the oily effect until I got the watch reports back from him)
9 Constellation Stainless Black Dial Pie Pan.jpg Connieoil.jpg 15 Tudor Date-Day.jpg tudoroily.png
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amirani
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TNTwatch TNTwatch
You're very welcome! Hope you can someday restore what were lost.

The repainted ones on eBay look nice, but are about 3-4 times the value that collectors would consider (which would be for parts only). Even for a non-collector's wearing, they're still too high since originals often come up for much less.
 
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Yes I get what you mean! I've been told the high price comes because of the "Mad Men effect".
I didn't know about that, I didn't see that tv serie!
I simply like the crosshair on the black dial in terms of design: there's some "balanced proportion" I feel soberly elegant.
I got a Baume&Mercier Chronograph some years ago, then I saw an identical model but with with black dial and I started to think about my dad's Omega....
My son is wearing a Patek from the 60s coming from my father little collection.
Actually it wasn't a collection at all, I would say he simply liked the design of certain things.
Me, I'm a little bit the same... I like a not really collectable Certina Bristol from the late 60s and often I wear it...
thanks again TNTwatch for your help.
I like this forum!
 
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Mothra Mothra
I have the same oily sheen on an original black dial constellation and an original blue dial Tudor date-day. No idea what's caused it, I just consider it to be a form of vintage patina. It doesn't affect my enjoyment on the wrist....
9 Constellation Stainless Black Dial Pie Pan.jpg
Man, this is a really nice one, I'd say! I don't see that much sheen, it looks great on my screen!
I'll understand something more when I'll receive an answer from MontresMania
Congrats for your Coonie! love it!
 
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amirani amirani
Man, this is a really nice one, I'd say! I don't see that much sheen, it looks great on my screen!
I'll understand something more when I'll receive an answer from MontresMania
Congrats for your Coonie! love it!
I've added a few more pics that make it a bit more obvious...😀
 
amirani
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Mothra Mothra
I've added a few more pics that make it a bit more obvious...😀
Yeah! Now I see what you mean, though it doesn't seem to affect that much...
probably it's less evident on the Tudor blue dial...
nice piece this one too, thanks for posting, Mothra!
 
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